Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lynette Nusbacher


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Withdrawn. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:24, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Lynette Nusbacher

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While she is undoubtedly an accomplished individual, I'm not convinced that the subject of the article meets our notability guidelines (WP:PROF, WP:AUTHOR, or WP:GNG). Mark Arsten (talk) 16:17, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Per the new source that has been found confirming notability, I'm willing to withdraw this now. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:09, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose deletion, the person is more than notable enough as a military histroy expert and he/she has featured as such in various television programs. -- fdewaele, 31 December 2012, 17:26 CET.
 * Keep -- and to evaluate this properly one will need to look at as well.  There's a kerfuffle on WP:BLPN at the moment, with some rather unenlightening discussion.  Some want to make a big deal about this person's sex change; having encountered resistance to that prospect, they are arguing something like "one or the other isn't notable on his/her own".  It's profoundly silly, and it doesn't mean that this is not a notable person. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There was a previous deletion discussion at Articles for deletion/Aryeh Nusbacher. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The "kerfuffle" was caused by an advocate trying to help the article's subject scrub her page of any reference to Ayreh while still trying to claim Ayreh's career as her own. If that user had left well enough alone, none of this would have happened. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:18, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No, that is a misunderstanding that seems to have taken hold of nearly everyone on all sides of the various conversations that are taking place. The long-standing version of the article that has come out of previous discussions did include the name under which earlier writings and TV documentaries were published, and no "advocate" made any attempt to "scrub" it. What was at issue was whether this should be in the opening sentence of the article and whether it should be described as a former name. It may be, for all we know from reliable sources, a nom de plume rather than a former name. If this had been left well enough alone we would not have this silly kerfuffle split over so many pages that it's impossible to have a rational discussion. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:42, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There's no evidence that it's a "nom due plume" - that's your original research. And the subject herself (or someone pretending to be her) has demonstrated attempts to scrub the article. That's against the rules. And the "silly kerfuffle" is indeed the product of advocates of the article subject who want to twist wikipedia to suit her personal agenda. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:48, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't claim that there's any evidence for either "former name" or "nom de plume", only that they are both possibilities. If reliable sources don't tell us which of these or other possibilities is correct then we can't put either claim in the article. What we do have sources for is that books were published and TV documentaries presented under this name. Nusbacher identified herself via OTRS several years ago, as I already told you in the BLP/N discussion, so "or someone pretending to be her" is uncalled for. The only agenda that I see here is a wish to follow WP:BLP in the claims that we make and their sourcing. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:58, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Then, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, you have to have two separate articles and pretend that the two are different persons. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Here is a reliable source confirming that Lynette Nusbacher is the person who wrote some of the books published under the name Aryeh Nusbacher, so we do have evidence that they are the same person, but not for the reason why the books were published under this name. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:21, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * See source listed below. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:32, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete unless someone can find sufficient notability to stand alone since 2007, without reference to her former persona of 2006 and earlier. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:15, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, assuming the evidence is solid. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:33, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. I found a scholarly Palgrave publication which confirms the sex change and previous name: I think the matter is now settled. Binksternet (talk) 18:22, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If you've got the goods, then the complaints are unjustified. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:31, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability is obvious, as subject is a widely-known television personality.  ►  Belch fire - TALK  18:24, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
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