Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyon Gardiner Tyler Jr.


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 07:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Lyon Gardiner Tyler Jr.

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Living grandson of the 10th U.S. President John Tyler. Tyler Sr. was 75 when Jr. was born. John Tyler was 63 when Sr. was born... Interesting trivia. He started out as an attorney. He was a Commonwealth's Attorney in Charles City County, Virginia, population 7,000. At age 42, he received a PhD in History from Duke University. Taught at Virginia Military Institute and the The Citadel. Best info of him I found is here. Unfortunately, I can't find something that make him notable. Bgwhite (talk) 05:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
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 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   19:57, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep- Despite WP:N guidelines (and my own view on 'hereditorials'), presumably covered in The Descendants of the Presidents of the United States of America (original published by author 1955) by Walter L. Zorn; Burke's Presidential Families of the United States of America by Marcus Cunliffe, Lesley Hume Cunliffe and David Williamson - London: Burke's Peerage 1975 (ISBN 9780668037006) & 1981 (ISBN 9780850110333) (online 2010 according to our Burke's article); American Presidential Families by Hugh Brogan, Charles Mosley & David Prebenna - MacMillan 1993/1994 (ISBN 9780750905824); and A Genealogy of the Wives of the American Presidents and Their First Two Generations of Descent by Craig Hart North Carolina: McFarland & Co. 2004 (ISBN 9780786419562) print spanning 49 years. Dru of Id (talk) 02:17, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I just expanded and referenced the article. Some of the references are not of the most Reliable variety but he is an interesting person and gets mentioned a lot, partly just by the astonishing fact of being a living grandson of a president who was born 220 years ago! --MelanieN (talk) 23:14, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Baseball   Watcher  21:21, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Adequate career achievement to merit encyclopedic biography. Carrite (talk) 21:04, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete No, there is not "adequate career achievement" per WP:PROF. The article just shows random coverage of the life of a person who, without the famous grandfather, would clearly be found not to satisfy WP:BIO: he got an education and had a couple of jobs. In addition, there are directory listings in what amounts to "The Big Book Of Everyone Who Had A Notable Ancestor." That sounds like directory listings, and just reiterates that he had a famous grandfather.Notability is not inherited.  Edison (talk) 23:03, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't see any clear evidence of passing any of the criteria of WP:PROF, and without that there is only WP:NOTINHERITED to fall back on. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Clarification- Would not be included without INHERITED, but inclusion in London: Burke's The Big Book Of Everyone Who Had A Notable Ancestor, on another continent demonstrates WP:GNG. Dru of Id (talk) 21:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Baseball   Watcher  22:22, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTINHERITED. Casual coverage in secondary sources devoted wholly or mostly to genealogy doesn't suffice for notability. Ray  Talk 20:00, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete per WP:NOTINHERITED, fails WP:BIO. To be honest, some of the shakier Keep rationales I've heard for some time.  First, even if we could presume someone is mentioned in printed genealogies - which we expressly cannot - it is of course fundamental to WP:V and the GNG that a source that does not discuss a subject in "significant detail" cannot be used to sustain an article on that subject.  Second, "he's interesting" doesn't form any part of inclusion criteria.  Here's hoping the closing admin goes for the substance of the arguments over nose count.   Ravenswing  11:07, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
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