Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mützig


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 19:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Mützig

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Product which doesn't meet WP:GNG as there is a lack of independent reliable sources. Search reveals nothing significant. The product exists, but is not notable. Article was merged into parent article (Bralirwa Brewery) per WP:Beer brands and WP:Product, but this has been reverted.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  18:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep – SilkTork, Mützig is the biggest beer brand in Central Africa. Stating that history of its origin irrelevant and suggesting it be merged with Bralirwa Brewery shows lack of knowledge on the subject. Kindly refrain from vandalizing articles through SilkTork or any other of its sock puppets. If this goes on you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Thank you. Zotezangu (talk) 01:29, June 29, 2015 (EAT)
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 * Delete Product fails to meet WP:GNG. I could not find more than passing references to the brew when I searched for references via gNews, gNewspapers and gBooks. I found it interesting that one passing reference in a book, Marrakech Express from 2014, by Peter Millar, the reference is to "once upon a time a well-known, if unremarkable Alsace French brand ... moved to Africa where ... it has become extinct." It is not the extinction or the limited range of the beer's sales that is problem in this context, but the fact that no reliable and significant sources for the brew's notability can be located. It is, at least in one person's published opinion, unremarkable. Geoff Who, me? 20:47, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep – Hi Geoff. Here are some links to Mützig on the internet: Mützig Beer commercial, Mutzig Relaunch in Kigali and Mutzig sales in Uganda. The drink was originally brewed in France (as indicated in the article) and later launched in DR Congo, Rwanda and Burundi i.e. countries located in Africa. Another important note is that these countries speak French. It would be proper to look into the French websites. Kindly do a better research. Posts here are on evidence rather than opinions. Zotezangu (talk) 02:47, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge to the brewery to appropriate places. I believe that this beer is notable because of its pervasive influence in substantial parts of Africa, mainly, as Zotezangu implies, in la Francophonie.  The beer may have been launched in Africa in 1987, but its roots may go back to the French Brewery from which it takes its name - though the process used to make it is based on the traditional sorghum fermentation system.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:24, 30 June 2015 (UTC).


 * Here are a couple of decent references:
 * This article describes Mutzig as a significant brand.
 * This mentions Mutzig beer in Paris.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC).
 * This article describes Mutzig as a significant brand.
 * This mentions Mutzig beer in Paris.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC).


 * Keep – I don't think a merge to the brewery is appropriate, since the brand has been owned by several breweries - looks like the brand has been brewed since 1810. Rich has made some improvements since the nomination and  the Mützig Brewery article on the French Wikipedia has some material we should be able to use to flesh out the article. As Zotezangu noted, since it was originally a French brand and is now marketed in West Africa, many of the references will likely be found in french sources. Perhaps this Google search or this one might be useful. Mojoworker (talk) 21:11, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * After editing the article a bit, I'm thinking that it might also be appropriate to merge this into a Brasserie Mutzig (or Mutzig brewery) article, if we were to create one. Mojoworker (talk) 18:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Mojoworker, That sounds good. Since you have knowledge on Mutzig brewery, why not develop the page to reflect the status of a brewery rather than a brand then move the page to the new name? That would be of great assistance. . Zotezangu (talk) 05:50, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree it cannot be merged there, the brand is produced widely and would either have to fit into a Heinekin brands article, be split among the various national breweries, or be retained as it is.  Merging to Mutzig Brewery is not without its problems.  The article about a small French Brewery would be potentially overwhelmed by the African use of the brand, and we would end up splitting it back to an article on the brand/beer. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:09, 2 July 2015 (UTC).


 * True enough – I'll stick with my initial inclination of keep then. Mojoworker (talk) 21:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
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