Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/M. Jaffar-ur-Rehman


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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 21:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

M. Jaffar-ur-Rehman

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No coverage found. Non-notable bio. Fails WP:ANYBIO. Störm  (talk)  08:30, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, the person was a dean. You don't think that meets WP:NACADEMIC? Same goes for the all the other ones. It seems like they all have been in high up academic positions that would qualify as notable. BTW, you should have done them all as one AfD to simplify things. Especially since they all seem to meet WP:NACADEMIC and I don't feel like copy and pasting the same vote a bunch of different times. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:35, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
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*Keep - position as Dean satisfies #6 of the criteria at WP:ACADEMICS. (Note that these nominations are quite a mixed bunch, and will have to be assessed individually; keeping them separate was justified.) -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 22:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC) Ach weel, it appears that's correct about deanship not qualifying. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:39, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Mohammad Ali Jinnah University is a for-profit 20 year old university and you say its dean is notable? I doubt, the university itself is notable. Störm   (talk)  06:41, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete the position as dean does not satisfy academic notability requirements. That is only satisfied by a vice chancelor or president, not by a head of a faculty within a university.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:57, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, or  Where does the notability guidelines say it only applies to vice chancelor or president? WP:NACADEMIC just says "The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research." Last I checked a dean is a named chair. I'm perfectly willing to change my vote if it can be shown from somewhere that dean doesn't count though. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:08, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * A Dean is not a "named chair". If so, what is the name? Xxanthippe (talk) 05:35, 22 March 2020 (UTC).
 * I miss spoke in my last message about a dean being a named chair. It doesn't matter though since they don't have to be. Since deans are above named chairs in authority. So it wouldn't make sense if they didn't qualify if named chairs do. It's still a distinguished professor appointment whatever you want to call it. Unless anyone has any evidence to the contrary. Also, See WP:Articles for deletion/Phillip H. Wiebe. Which show's precedence that articles about deans are kept.--Adamant1 (talk) 12:45, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep A notable computer scientist of Pakistan. Dean at one university and served on faculty at three major universities of Pakistan. Let Wikipedia staff decide whether a vice chancellor and president, as mentioned in the above comment, are the only ones that deserve an article on Wikipedia. We all know there are probably thousands and thousands of Wiki articles on university professors, educators and computer scientists right now from all over the world on Wikipedia, not only from Pakistan alone. What happens to all of them? I agree with Adamant1 and Elmidae assessments above that the subject of this article qualifies under WP:ACADEMICS and WP:NACADEMIC. Ngrewal1 (talk) 23:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Insufficient impact of GS cites to satisfy any part of WP:Prof. WP:Memorial Xxanthippe (talk) 01:50, 22 March 2020 (UTC).
 * Delete. Citation record does not pass WP:PROF. Dean is an administrative position well below head of whole university, so (contrary to what some of the opinions above state) it passes neither #C5 (for people given named chairs for their scholarly accomplishments, not for administrators) nor #C6 (for people who are heads of entire universities, not for lower-level administrators). No other form of notability is evident. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:10, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * #C5 doesn't say just named chairs qualify. Your leaving out the part after that where it says "or a distinguished professor appointment." Which a dean would be. Deans are actually higher in authority and are more distinguished then chairs are. So it wouldn't make sense that #C5 wouldn't apply to them but it would to chairs. Otherwise, it would just explicitly say so and it doesn't. See WP:Articles for deletion/Phillip H. Wiebe. He was a dean and the article was kept. So there's even precedence. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:45, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter whether or not a dean is "higher in authority" than a named chair. That's not what WP:PROF is about. The point is to evaluate whether an individual's scholarly work has been influential in the academic community. Named chairs are clear-cut signifiers of such influence; deanships are not. The fifteen-year-old AfD for Wiebe is not comparable. In addition to holding administrative positions, Wiebe was an author of multiple academic books, raising at least the possibility of being notable for passing WP:AUTHOR. That does not appear to be applicable here. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 17:10, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Where does WP:Notability (academics) say that notability is contingent on publishing influential academic works? It says "Academics meeting any one of the following conditions" qualify for notability. Nowhere does is it say they have to have an appointment and be influentially published. It even says "Academics meeting none of these conditions may still be notable." So I don't know where your getting that they have to be an established academic author from. On Wiebe, three of the votes mention that his notability partly comes from being a dean. I'm not sure how you can treat it like it had nothing to do with the article being kept. With WP:AUTHOR, WP:Notability (academics) says "This guideline is independent from the other subject-specific notability guidelines, such as WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:AUTH" So it's pretty clear we should separate the two when are deciding notability. This person has some published journal articles anyway and it's pretty likely they played into his appointment as dean. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:25, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Distinguished professor is a job title higher than full professor, given to academics with exceptional scholarly accomplishments. Dean is a managerial position, usually given to senior faculty, but occasionally held by people at levels lower than full professor. They are two completely different things. Being a dean absolutely does not qualify for #C5. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:43, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The very first line of WP:PROF says, This guideline reflects consensus about the notability of academics as measured by their academic achievements. Being a dean is not an academic achievement. It's a management job. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 14:44, 23 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete No indication of passing WP:PROF or any other notability guideline. Deanship is too low an administrative position to qualify for WP:PROF. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 17:14, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Named chairs are created to recognize high levels of academic contribution. Deans exist because there is a need for someone to be the administrator running and institution. In 1980 in the US there were very few named chairs, there were about as many deans as today. Today there may overall be more named chairs, although I am not sure. These are two different things. Dean is a rotated academic leadership post, chairs are appointments that are often held for the rest of ones life.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Ngrewal1 - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 19:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Dean is certainly not sufficient for WP:NPROF C6 (per long-standing consensus), and is on a completely different track from C5.  No other signs of notability. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 16:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)


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