Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/M. K. Wren


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) buidhe 18:54, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

M. K. Wren

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Little to no coverage of writer in secondary sources, or unverifiable social media posts and info on book discovery sites.
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 * Comment Found these mentions of her 1, 2 - 2 mentions, 3, 4 - p.536, 5. Less Unless (talk) 13:40, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Nothing significant found, beyond a few lines here and there that (1) she's a writer, (2) she's from Amarillo and or Oregon, (3) or she wrote Conan Flagg or Phoenix Legacy. Rdzogschen (talk) 15:37, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * delete Sad, as she is beloved writer, but WP:NRV. Wanderer0 (talk) 17:33, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: There's plenty about her on newspapers.com, it's just from the 1970s (e.g., 1, 2, 3, 4, 5). If that's when her heyday was, as it appears, it's not surprising that there aren't many secondary sources about her online, but that doesn't mean she's not notable. --Usernameunique (talk) 19:56, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Because the subject's works began being published in the 1970s, sourcing of those earlier works, at best, is difficult. But a search on WorldCat.org shows 75 entries and eight editions of her books here. WorldCat also shows (beginning with item 30 and ending with 33) that the subject's Conan Flagg Mystery series was translated and released in the late 1970s in Germany by publisher München Goldmann. I improved on the article and refs some but it could use more work. But citations of the subject and her books can also be found by searching Google Books. Some of her works were published into the 1990s, and eBooks released into the 2000s, per a Google search. Ditto Usernameunique's words, that simply because an author's works were published in earlier years does not mean the subject is not notable. With the sources now in the article, it passes WP:GNG. And with the breadth of the subject's works, having been published by Ballantine Books, Minotaur Books, Doubleday, Fawcett Publications and Berkley Books - some of the largest publishing houses in the U.S. - notability is shown and this clearly meets WP:NAUTHOR. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 03:53, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The article in its current state shows notability. Pam  D  10:48, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, GGGGGRRRRRRR!!!!!!! it would have been nice if the nominator and "deleters" had taken a look at Wren's entry with the ISFDB that is in the "External links" section of the article, they would have discovered the listing of multiple reviews of Wren's Phoenix Legacy series titles and of A Gift Upon the Shore, anyway, Wren meets WP:NAUTHOR, books still held in 100s of libraries ie. Seasons Of Death, A Gift Upon The Shore, Nothing's Certain But Death, Oh, Bury Me Not, A Multitude of Sins, Curiosity Didn't Kill the Cat so, "well known". Also, most of Wren's books have multiple reviews (meeting WP:NBOOK, and could have their own wikiarticle) including: for A Gift Upon the Shore: Publishers Weekly - here, the Los Angeles Times - here, Kirkus Reviews - here, Utopian Studies - here, Library Journal - here, Locus - listed here, Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine - listed here, Paperback Inferno - listed here; Neely Jones: The Medusa Pool: Publishers Weekly - here, Kirkus Reviews - here, Booklist - listed here, Library Journal - listed here; Wake Up, Darlin' Corey: Kirkus Reviews - here, The New York Times - here; A Multitude of Sins: Kirkus Reviews - here, Library Journal - listed here, New York Times - tiny review here, Midwest Book Review - here (last review under "Teri's Bookshelf"; Nothing's Certain But Death: Kirkus Reviews - here, Library Journal - listed here; Curiosity Didn't Kill the Cat: Kirkus Reviews - here, Midwest Book Review - here (2nd review under "Teri's Bookshelf"; Oh, Bury Me Not: Kirkus Reviews - small review here, Midwest Book Review - here; Sword of the Lamb: Ares - listed here, Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine - listed here, Rigel Science Fiction - listed here, Science Fiction Review - listed here, Paperback Inferno - listed here; Shadow of the Swan: Locus - listed here, Ares - listed here, Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine - listed here, Rigel Science Fiction - listed here, Science Fiction Review - listed here, Paperback Inferno - listed here; think that will do:). Coolabahapple (talk) 15:57, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * DELETE The collected sources above are limited, brief, or do not include any significant biographical information. Any reviews of her works would belong in their respective articles, etc. Zentulku (talk) 05:34, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , are you suggesting that Wren's works are notable, but that Wren is not? --Usernameunique (talk) 21:41, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:NAUTHOR #3 states notability of an author exists when there are "multiple independent periodical articles or reviews" of their books. -- Green  C  02:28, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:58, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per the book reviews described above. -- Toughpigs (talk) 04:39, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Easily surpasses WP:GNG. No compliance with WP:BEFORE.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎</b>) 12:42, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Book reviews prove the books are notable, and thus the writer is notable under WP:AUTHOR.  D r e a m Focus  18:41, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


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