Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/M. N. Alam


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 05:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

M. N. Alam

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This article is not verifiable, and I am concerned that the subject of this article is non-notable; this article may also be a hoax about a non-existent person.

The only sources used are closely related to the subject of the article. These sources are hosted on scribd or on a tripod website; the main purported book source cannot be found via searching by title or ISBN. There are no external sources which can verify the existence of this person, and other claims in the article.

The text of the article has at one point contained incredible claims (e.g. first ambassador of the Conch Republic, and mentioned at least one title which appear to be purchasable (http://www.bridgeworld.org/Order_M/application.htm). The subject was referred to throughout the article at various points in the article history by "His Eminency", suggesting a non-neutral POV by the primary authors. Rifleman 82 (talk) 00:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt  wow. Serious verifiability problems here leave pretty much nothing salvageable.  I share concerns that this might be an elaborate hoax, if it isn't, then it is promotional, but pretty over the top even for a hagiography.  I think that the nature of this article justifies pre-emptive salting, so we do not risk hosting material like this in the future. Gigs (talk) 01:41, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't think it's hoax; as I recall there are some sources which support the existence of the non-profits he controls (I don't have them handy, though), it just gets fuzzy to do anything beyond verifying existence. The same verifiability concerns also carry over into Dayemi Complex Bangladesh. Oh, and should consensus be to delete, don't bother with salting - the article was originally at His Eminency Dr. Hazrat Sheikh Shah Sufi Mohammed Nurul Alam, VernoWhitney (talk) 02:16, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

This person is an actual person. All of his contact information is on his website with a real telephone number where you may call if you need to. I have the ISBN numbers for all the books mentioned. Would you like me to list them? I would be more than happy to do so. In fact I am going to do that right now. By many individuals he is considered as "his eminency". But, I didnt realize that I could not use that name therefore I left it as "Alam" which was changed by wikipedia. All the information on the page are facts. The predictions listed about the presidents are letters that were sent to the presidents and there were also letters sent back to Alam from the presidents. I dont think something like that would be in the newspapers which is why they are copies from both him and the presidents showing that they are in fact the real thing. I was told that I could use his books as a reference if I listed something specifically about him such as where he studied. He is mostly known in Bangladesh therefore some articles may be found in newspapers in Bangladesh which were written in Bengali. You could also check his website for that information. All of this information is legit. I do not see the use of putting up information about a nonexistent person. It does me no good nor does it do any of you any good. Niraleah1 (talk) 06:31, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing up the issue with honorifics. Such titles do not reflect a dispassionate, objective stance in the article. I have searched for all the ISBNs you have provided, but I am unable to find these books across multiple databases. The books may well exist, but they must be very very obscure. Have you seen WP:V? If there are absolutely no third-party English sources for this article, the subject may not be of interest to the readership of the English language Wikipedia. This is especially important if the subject is a living person, and there is no way to verify the content of the article. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 08:05, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * While English sources are obviously preferred if there are reliable Bengali sources they will work too, but there does need to be sources. VernoWhitney (talk) 12:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd like to clarify here that the lack of sources for notability is not because sources are in Bengali, but likely because they don't exist. Having read Bengali news papers from Bangladesh regularly over the last 25 years, I can say for sure that the subject has not received any significant coverage in notable third-party sources/media in Bangladesh. (which is interesting, given the tall claims about the subject's awesomeness!! :) )--Ragib (talk) 21:37, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I am gathering information so that I could possibly add them to the page. This will take sometime. How much time do I have before you guys decide to delete my page? Niraleah1 (talk) 01:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * About 5 days. Gigs (talk) 01:49, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 02:10, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 02:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete: As a Bangladeshi, I can confirm that the subject is not notable as claimed in the article. So, delete per WP:N, WP:V. --Ragib (talk) 05:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment:Virtually *all* "references" are from subject's own book. Never heard of this guy in Bangladeshi media.... this article is simply an attempt to promote a non notable person. --Ragib (talk) 05:07, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete: As per WP:N and WP:V. Despite the fact that he became so so famous(!), not a single Bangladeshi source mentions his name! I do have pity on him. A person having more than 25 honorary doctorates is not getting importance in the national media (laughing out loud). Two websites and a self-written book - that's all about his notability. I am not sure whether he hired someone to write this article, but he must inform his writer about the fact that honorary doctorate degree does not give the right to write Dr. in front of someone's name. On a serious note, the person might be real but his claims are fake and self-promotional. Therefore, I am suggesting a strong delete. - Niaz  (Talk •  Contribs)  07:36, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

If you like I will take out the "Dr" part of it. But, please I am still working on gathering the documents to prove his notability. Thank you. Niraleah1 (talk) 18:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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