Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/M. S. Ramaiah Institute of Technology


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep - a lot of mess, here, but the sources presented by Anbu121 and 101.63.161.174 appear to satisfy notability. Article, like discussion, is a bit of a mess, but AfD ain't cleanup. Wily D 08:00, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

M. S. Ramaiah Institute of Technology

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This educational institution does not appear to have any reliable sources that discuss it. It is a fairly new university and much of the article is sourced to university pages or the Karnataka government's publications. It is not notable and it is a massive puff piece. I originally put it up for proposed deletion, but an IP at the university seems to disagree.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 00:02, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak delete I'll have to agree with WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES to an extent. All of the references are self-published sources, like what Ryulong said. I've checked Google and only came up with news articles on students, not the actual school itself. --   Luke      (Talk)   00:52, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * KEEP.Ryulong,I beg you to differ MSRIT(MS RAMAIAH INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY) is a famous college in Bangalore(India) but is't a university.The college has a history of 49 years.Just Google MSRIT you will be able to generate about 50,0000 results.Luke is right that he found many articles on students of MSRIT,that simply dismisses the allegation that it is a new university.Let me try to bring in weblinks that are atleast a decade old to convince you that the article is NOT a BLUFF.type MSRIT in google search engine,On the left tab set Custom Range for time say 23/4/2001 ,you will still find many reliable sources discussing it.One more point to be noted ,Government Publications cannot BE DECLARED UNRELIABLE since the government does keep the webpages live for atleast a decade.Here the top newspaper of India in terms of Circulation,The Times of India has references to MSRIT.Few of them are listed here,You can find still more if you google .These must clearly must make you differ your stand
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.242.162.57 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep. A tertiary educational institution with nearly 5,000 students is clearly notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:29, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Cannot be deleted.The Wikipedia article on MSRIT came in to existence on  April 2 ,2005 as per the article's Revision History.The theme in the wiki article in 2005 was that the institution imparted quality technical education,Even today it has remained the same.I do agree with Ryulong,The Citations are few.Some one should make more citations to make the article up to Wiki Standards.But it's not a Good idea to say that it's massive puff piece since the article has stood for 7 long years - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.105.97 (talk • contribs) 17:54, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:LONGTIME. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep There is good coverage about the college in national newspapers. Here are some more:
 * MSRIT celebrates golden jubilee - The Hindu
 * Campus Capsule - The Hindu
 * Innovative ideas come alive - The Hindu. -- Anbu121  ( talk me ) 18:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Ignoring the IPs trying to protect the page on their school, those articles merely say the school exists. They don't mention any particular things of import other than the Golden Jubilee happening.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 18:48, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * From a non-IP, longstanding consensus is that verified tertiary educational institutions are notable by virtue of their existence. -- Necrothesp (talk) 19:10, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Please do not undervalue a person's arguement, just because they are an IP. WP:URIP2 -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 19:47, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Arguments by WP:SPAs, IP or otherwise, that use arguments to avoid are given less weight. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * keep.I m an alumnus of this college (2003-2007 batch).
 * Allegation #1 by Mr.Ryulong: No reliable sources discuss it
 * Some IP user as well as a name user have given links that have reported about major events at the college.I would like to feed in links that IEEE(A very reliable source as per Wiki norms)having citations that date back to 2005 .Almost all are papers published by researchers at MSRIT.There are more than 150 links but I would like list a few.Anyone can verify my claim by searching IEEE official site.
 * - IEEE 2005.
 * -IEEE 2005


 * here s the link to Bangalore Chapter of IEEE.The website has MSRIT on its link
 * - IEEE Member list Karnataka Region

International Conference on Advances in Computing - ICAdC 2012 -International Conference on Advances in Computing - ICAdC 2012] One of The six Key notes Kenotes was delivered by Jainendra K Navlakha(School of Computing & Information sciences FIU,Miami.The proceedings of This Conference would be published by Springer.The link to the Proceedings
 * this is the link to College Chapter of MSRIT ::: -IEEE MSRIT
 * Here s another link To cited by TEDx ::: - TED
 * Here s the link to Student website of TedxMSRIT wherein one can find many videos of acclaimed personalities delivering speeches at MSRIT
 * Centre Of Excellence By Hardware and Software giant IBM.When any college is declared as a Centre of Excellence By a Software Giant like IBM it s a notable Institution[]
 * My view : International Bodies like IEEE,TeD recognize  MSRIT.International Software Giants like IBM have Centre of Excellence at MSRIT.Many National Newspapers have extensively covered MSRIT.MSRIT has been covered by Government sources at least 100 times.My conclusion is that it is a notable institute [] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raghava2009 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)  — Raghava2009 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Links to Major Events to prove that the institution is notable
 * []

The international Conference and Proceedings Published by Springer must definitely mean that Institution Is highly notable .Also,There is a mention of the college in World Bank's Website [].An Institution recognized by the World Bank is Notable. A popular Indian newspaper Deccan Herald describes that learning at MSRIT is an Enriching Experience[] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sohanphilip (talk • contribs) — Sohanphilip (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep a degree college that which is verifiable and finds mention in national media.  passes notability for educational institutes. -- D Big X ray   07:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep.The college is very notable in South India.Though it's self financing Institution ,the World Bank is aiding 120 million(12 Crore) Rupees this year
 * Raghava2009, you've already made your argument on this page. You are not allowed to do it twice.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 19:35, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Sweet Memories apart  let's come to facts!
 * Speedy Keep. I m simply shocked to see someone has put it for deletion.I have been to this college during late 1980s(It was then Known as M.S.Ramaiah College of Engineering) when I was a student at RVCE,Bangalore doing my civil engineering.The college had a hospital and a popular Medical college in a nearby building on the same campus.Ramaiah College hosted a Basketball tournament in 1987.I was apart of the college Basketball team For RVCE,Bangalore.I can still remember that there were only 5 popular engineering institutes in Karnataka at that time:UVCE,RVCE,BMSCE,MSRIT(then known as M S Ramaiah College of Engineering) and SJCE.
 *  Argument Point 1 :The main wiki article on MSRIT has citations to several state government publications(Government of Karnataka), Central Government of India bodies(such as AICTE) and also United nation 's world bank.All  the 3 are reliable sources as per Wiki Norms.
 * Argument Point 2 :This deletion argument page has popular newspaper citations which reveal the fact that the college MSRIT is receiving Funds from World Bank and the college has a mention in the world bank's website[].Both are reliable sources of information as per Wiki norms
 * Argument Point 3 :The college MSRIT has mention in International bodies like [[IEEE] [http://www.ieeebangalore.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=106&Itemid=211 and Ted.Both are simply reliable sources
 * Argument Point 4 : As raghava2009 pointed about the newspaper Deccan Herald had reported that learning at MSRIT is an enriching Experience.The article in this daily has quite a lot of information about the college.This is another reliable source
 * Argument Point 5 :The college Held an international conferance on computing as someone pointed out which was published by Springer of USA -International Conference on Advances in Computing - ICAdC 2012] which is another reliable source of information as per Wiki norms
 * Argument Point 6: The college MSRIT has completed 50 years of existence :::MSRIT celebrates golden jubilee - The Hindu.Definitely,this is a proof to dismiss the claim that the university is new one.
 * Argument Point 7:International Software giant IBM has a centre of Excellence at MSRIT.This another reliable source ]
 * Argument Point 8 :The college MSRIT was involved in Building a satellite for ISRO []called the StudSAT.Satellite building and Rocket Science cannot be done by any laymen;Requires considerably good facilities,instructors and of course quality pupils.This college in a country where primary education itself is't available to all has been involved in building a satellite.This simply makes it notable

Thank you all.Hope everyone finds my point wise argument in a good shape and health. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin chennai (talk • contribs) 09:26, 25 July 2012 (UTC) — Martin chennai (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Comment:This cannot be deleted.WIKI rules for deletion :Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions and high schools are being kept except when zero independent sources can be found to prove that the institution actually exists. Many independent sources are discussing it and its an accredited school as proved above that offers bachelor in engineering,Masters in engineering and also Phd in engineering.so does not qualify for deletion. Schools that are being planned or built, except high schools reliably sourced to be opened within 12 months, are being deleted.But the institute is completing 50 years >of existence as reported by many newspapers.so again it does't qualify for deletion.There was former president of india A. P. J. Abdul Kalam 's appreciation for the college.President of India is also a strong reliable source.Since it does not qualify for deletion under these two clauses.Article cannot be deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.242.175.221 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. Can I just point out to students and former students of this institution that creating possible sockpuppet accounts just to vote on this issue does not actually do your case (which I support, incidentally, as you can see above) any favours. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:35, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment .Wiki norms say that majority is not the criteria  for deletion or retaining of an article.Its the weight of the argument that does the job.Guys stop counting the keeps or deletes.JUST look at the possible proof and sources that are used in arguments and then decide for yourself whether this is notable or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.63.158.147 (talk) 09:57, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Definitely article needs a lot of work, But its notable. -- ɑηsuмaη  ʈ ᶏ ɭ Ϟ  16:47, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 *  source.Famous Indian daily the Deccan Herald was all praise for the institute in their article.The article spoke about how the institute evolved over years.[].In another article it calls it a pioneer in engineering education in Karnataka [] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.63.161.174 (talk) 16:16, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * In another article a newspaper reported that MSRIT's students earned 29 medals(second highest in state of Karnataka).These medals were given by visvesvaraya technoligical university for academic excellence and this was among its 200 affiliated college..The article on MSRIT has many reliable external sources as pf now — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.63.233.19 (talk) 17:43, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The college seemed to be the the fourth most sought after engineering college in Karnataka as per the seat allotment in July,2012
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