Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MAGFest


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep, the notability concerns raised in the nomination appear to have been appropriately resolved by uncovering and integrating significant coverage from independent, reliable sources, making this article compliant with WP:GNG. Issues with promotional material having been added to the article have also been fixed by the removal of such material. (non-admin closure)  Salvidrim!   04:51, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

MAGFest

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There do seem to be lots of hits on Google News, but almost all of them amount to "Such and such will be at MAGfest". The rest are just press releases from things like Anime News Network. One source was suggested on the page in 2007, but it turns out it's just a fluff piece from a local newspaper.

In the article itself, the only sources are a con directory of dubious reliability, recaps from people who were there and primary sources. The article has been tagged for primary sources since 2007, but none have been forthcoming. Every source I found was primary, press release, fluff or trivial — no non-trivial, third-party, distinct coverage whatsoever. It's also overrun with some of the guys who were there pimping themselves out by shoehorning links to their own sites in the article. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 10:35, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree, the sourcing is pitiful even by the already low standards of these sorts of events. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  13:59, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep The article could definitely a little bit of work, but there are at least a couple decent sources that could be added such as this article by a CNN blog and this segment from NPR's Morning Edition. I'll put it on my to-do list. MyNameWasTaken (talk) 15:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC) -- Also Note that a number of sources have been listed on the talk page. MyNameWasTaken (talk) 17:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Those are borderline, particularly the CBS coverage since it seems to exist only as a youtube vid at the moment.. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I would disagree, while the CBS is marginal, the NPR segment and CNN blog are well within the sphere of reliable and verifiable sources. MyNameWasTaken (talk) 01:27, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep I added some of the secondary sources mentioned above (full disclosure: I am one of the Magfest organizers, Dom). Also, in the future, if any of our bands/guests etc hijack the page to plug their own stuff, we'll definitely remove it as soon as we find out about it.  We have a compilation of our press coverage from secondary sources and will continue to improve the quality of the article by making sure everything is up to wikipedia citation standards. Binary1230 (talk) 17:13, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

One more update (Dom again), in the past we've discouraged people that are directly related to organizing Magfest from editing this article directly and were hoping that someone would eventually come along and clean it up. However when I saw the page was up for deletion today, I added those sources myself despite probably having a COI for editing this article, I just didn't want to see it deleted because no one had taken any action. Can you guys please advise on in the future what the best way would be for us to help get this article up to Wikipedia standards? I was basing the decision to edit it myself off of what was in Conflict_of_interest:

"Editors with COIs are strongly encouraged—but not actually required—to declare their interests, both on their user pages and on the talk page of the related article they are editing, particularly if those edits may be contested. Editors who disguise their COIs are often exposed, creating a perception that they, and perhaps their employer, are trying to distort Wikipedia. When someone voluntarily discloses a conflict of interest, other editors should always assume the editor is trying to do the right thing"

17:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Dom. One of the best methods to mitigate these concerns is to use the Request edit template. As an interested but un-involved party, I'd definitely be willing to help out with assessing and making any requested edits for this page. MyNameWasTaken (talk) 18:05, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep. The CNN and NPR articles are reliable, independent, and in-depth enough to allow us to write a decent article. Most of the cruft and external links need to go. Disclaimer: I've never been to MAGFest but I know plenty of folks who have and I like many of the bands mentioned in the article. However, I think my contribution history shows that I'm more than an SPA. If this survives AfD, I'd be more than happy to help keep out the junk. Wyatt Riot (talk) 05:30, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Multiple reliable and independent sources have been provided (CNN, NPR, CBS, Destructoid) to satisfy WP:GNG. Although the CBS source is just a screencap video, it's a reliable source and I see no reason to consider it unreliable. Additional sources that don't fulfill GNG per se, do strengthen the event's notability argument nonetheless as sources are giving the event coverage. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:34, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
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