Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MARSEC-XL


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Scott Mac 18:52, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

MARSEC-XL

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It looks like this article went unsourced for several years before being deleted under the WP:PROD process. I see it has been undeleted as a contested prod, but it still lacks reliable independent sources verifying the notability of this subject, and I was not able to find any appropriate sources to add with my own search. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per the notability guideline for organizations. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. I don't consider this article in The Malta Independent significant coverage because it's essentially a copy of a press release. All the other links are to press releases on corporate sites. (The page was created by a single-purpose account Kissia. The restore was requested by another SPA Kissia13 who  of MARSEC-XL. I was the one to PROD the article.) --Pnm (talk) 01:35, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * MARSEC-XL is an existing, viable and operating Foundation established in Malta. There are numerous references supporting this fact. MARSEC-XL is listed in the European Cluster Observatory http://www.europe-innova.eu/c/document_library/get_file?folderId=148901&name=DLFE-9316.pdf

— Kissia13 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Malta College for Arts, Science and Technology, MCAST, writes about MARSEC-XL in The Official Magazine of the Malta College for Arts, Science and Technology, Issue 28: http://www.mcast.edu.mt/mcastlink/mcastlink_28.pdf
 * Continuous attempts to delete the MARSEC-XL page from Wikipedia are viewed as a malicious act against MARSEC-XL Foundation and its activities aiming at promoting openness in the maritime industry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kissia13 (talk •contribs) 10:55, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * MARSEC-XL is truly the innovator and not the imitator, helping to unite the marine industry, enabling the vessels of tomorrow to be greener and based on high quality software solutions, which will help everyone linked to the industry, it being a super yacht owner, captain on board a container ship or a deep sea exploration diving team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sailaholic (talk • contribs) 14:26, 12 February 2011 (UTC)  — Sailaholic (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * This cluster of excellence aims at bringing the whole marine industry together to contribute in a joined effort to improve and provide software based solutions that everyone can benefit from. — comment added by UmanLee (talk • contribs) 17:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC) — UmanLee (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete: looks like this has attracted a relatively large contingent of SPAs... whether these are sockpuppets or meatpuppets is a matter for someone else. I am not concerned with notability so much as the fact that this and the related Marine Software Engineering really are borderline WP:G11. l'aquatique  [talk]  16:51, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * MARSEC-XL is an EXISTING and REAL entity dedicated to open source initiatives. MARSEC-XL is a not-for-profit foundation publicly scrutinized and operating under the laws of Malta and the European Union. MARSEC-XL is supported by governmental entities and is of significant importance to the country of Malta and the maritime industry. This information is publicly verifiable by reliable sources and information provided as references includes such sources, e.g. a public college in Malta and the leading independent maritime publication in Lloyds List and others. Based on the recent incidents on Wikipedia aiming at deletion of both MARSEC-XL and Marine software engineering, the MARSEC-XL team has conducted a thorough research and web search to defend our TRUE identity as we suspected some other entity tried to hi-jack it. Today it has been found that indeed there is an entity which has stolen MARSEC-XL name and definition of Marine software engineering. Here is the truth: MARSEC-XL is not promoting any product, entity, or the like. The name of MARSEC-XL foundation and term Marine software engineering defined by MARSEC-XL through their extensive research since 2007, has been STOLEN by an untrustworthy entity with locations in Mauritius and Germany. This entity presents itself as a publishing house. This entity has published a book  "Marine Software Engineering, MARSEC-XL, Software Engineering, List of Software Engineering Topics"  with a mark stating the following: "High Quality Content by WIKIPEDIA Articles" - ISBN-13: 978-6133190320.  This book is a hoax and is NOT in ANY WAY to be associated with MARSEC-XL, marine software engineering as defined by MARSEC-XL or any entities associated with MARSEC-XL Foundation located in the county of Malta. The editors of this publication are NOT in any way associated with MARSEC-XL Foundation, Marine software engineering, or Malta. It looks like it is WIKIPEDIA that has a serious problem here as it seems that this publishing house copies the (non-copyrighted) contents of articles on Wikipedia and then sells it as printed material. As a result honest and truthful Wikipidia contributors are becoming victims and the name of MARSEC-XL as well as Wikipedia is publicly dented.  I sincerely trust, that Wikipedia will be able to distinguish between the truth and the thieves. I hope that Wikipedia will take action and protect themselves and their contributors for the sake of the truth on the net. --Kissia13 (talk) 19:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * That is interesting. I did not realize "Betascript Publishing" was printing bound editions of Wikipedia articles.  That would not meet Wikipedia's definition of a reliable independent source, since it's simply a printed copy of the Wikipedia article.  Have any real publishing houses ever written a book about this subject?   -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:55, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.  --  JN  466  22:59, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  --  JN  466  23:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  --  JN  466  23:02, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - I reviewed the sourcing already int he article, and they are almost all regurgitated press releases which do not establish notability. However, the Times of Malta appear to have covered this with multiple article over a period of time:, , .  The article is very heavily promotional and will need severe editting, but there's enough coverage for me say the topic is notable. -- Whpq (talk) 16:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:12, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Poor article with overly promotional tone, but there does seem to be the necessary coverage of it, even outside the press releases. Mind you, when did journalism become so lazy? Andy Dingley (talk) 16:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete without prejudice - it's spammy and portions are copied from press releases. The entire #About section is copied from the last paragraph of http://www.liveyachting.com/intellimare-marine-software-systems-for-mariners-by-mariners ... the last paragraph of #Facts about MARSEC-XL ("MARSEC-XL has identified a lacuna in the marine systems and software engineering ...") is verbatim from paragraph six of http://www.sunseekersym.com/news/newsitem.php?id=173 .  Wikipedia isn't a place to publish your press releases. --B (talk) 20:09, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep This article is not a press release. It is journalist who are growing lazy by copying each other's text into their "own"articles and so the same message is repeated multiple times on the net. It is enough that somebody said something smart or good and it gets repeated all over again. Here is an independent one: http://5956n.typepad.com/59_56_n/2010/10/whose-ship-is-it-anyway-a-five-part-investigative-series.html. There is a reference to this article in the External links section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kissia13 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * You already posted something above apparently as a keep !vote. If you would like to add comments, please frame them as such by starting them with "Comment:" or it will appear that you are trying to post multiple !votes. l'aquatique  [talk]  18:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Another independent investigative article by Ed Slack, Superyacht Business, September 2007 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/46/USP_Port_Superyacht_Business.tiff --Kissia13 (talk) 15:57, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
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