Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MB&F


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Maximilian Büsser. Missvain (talk) 03:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

MB&F

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This is one of the worst cases of advertisement I have ever seen. Lots of corporate fluff and absolutely zero sources (but plenty of external links to company press releases). Fails WP:GNG (plenty of churnalism out there) and needs to be nuked from high orbit. -Indy beetle (talk) 08:17, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per TNT. Redirect to Maximilian Büsser—I don't see that NCORP is met here. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  08:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Have reverted to an older version which is not as much of a blatant ad. Now it's pretty much just a catalogue (but not a well sourced one). The company has received at least some coverage in major media, such as this long piece in the NYTimes. – Thjarkur (talk) 08:39, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That NYT article is about the founder, who already has an article here. -Indy beetle (talk) 12:38, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  08:51, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  08:51, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  08:52, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to Maximilian Büsser - The source Þjarkur has shown us is interesting, but doesn't seem like enough to me. However, I think redirecting to the founder is better than deletion. Foxnpichu (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Reads more like a catalog list of items for sale, not establishing notability Oaktree b (talk) 02:13, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Conditioned weak keep conditioned on keeping my latest changes to the article, where I removed some images and unsourced sections. The keep is weak because the interesting sources   do not seem to solidly establish notability of the company per NCORP. Mathias (talk) 05:19, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 02:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 01:25, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Maximilian Büsser, topic fails WP:NCORP in its own right but a redirect is appropriate.  HighKing++ 12:41, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The new page seems indeed very commercial. As watch lover I can confirm MB&F is quite well known in the watch industry and has the legitimacy to be here. They are part of the Fondation de la Haute Horlogerie, won several prizes (5) at the Grand Prix d'Horlogerie de Genève . The did lot of co-creations with other famous companies: L'Epée 1839 Caran d'Ache [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caran_d%27Ache_(entreprise) and the company has nice coverage in major media, such as in Forbes. Why don't we just rewrite this page? Make it less catalogue and add more relevant information. watchlover_ch (talk) 09:08, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Notable I'm also in the watch world and MB&F is a very well known contemporary watch brand. I've added 3 notability references to MB&F in first line from the Financial Times, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, and have removed a few excess product images. I'm happy to work with watchlover_ch and do a noncommercial rewrite. IanS (talk) 09:11, 15 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Notability One of Wikipedia’s examples of "substantial coverage" in defining Notability is "A documentary film . . . " Maximilian Büsser as Founder and CEO of MB&F, and filmed in a MB&F boutique in Dubai, features in this Trailer for an independent feature-length documentary on time. MB&F and the brand's watches are widely discussed and Busser is the first person talking on screen (at 28 secs in) Keepers of Time: Trailer https://vimeo.com/user6668646 IanS (talk) 11:12, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thats not a functional link. -Indy beetle (talk) 17:58, 15 December 2020 (UTC)


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