Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MCskill ThaPreacha


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 14:44, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

MCskill ThaPreacha

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Promotional article for non notable rapper. Article is flooded with refs but lacks good sources. He lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:35, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. GabeIglesia (talk) 14:38, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Vipinhari  &#124;&#124;  talk  16:18, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Neutral I have been asked to come here as the reviewer who accepted this at WP:AFC. Our criterion for acceptance s that broadly, the article must have a better than 60% (some say 50%) chance of surviving a deletion process. If I made an error, so be it. If I was correct, so be it. Typically, I take no part in deletion discussions for drafts I have accepted. This response is simply to acknowledge that a major contributor to the article has reached out to me on my talk page. Fiddle   Faddle  21:31, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Hi, I'm a major contributor to this article. MCskill ThaPreacha is a well respected and NOTABLE underground rapper in Nigeria where the Hip Hop Culture is still relatively young. MCskill has seven hip-hop projects and has been able to work with artistes worldwide. He recently featured on the March/April 2016 print edition of Germany’s Juice Magazin Juice alongside heavyweights like Drake, Rick Ross, Pusha T and more... This article was written from a neutral point of view and i believe if not all sources cited are good enough, at least 50% should be good enough for this article to survive deletion. I hope it does. MustaphaNG (talk) 23:25, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep I have not gone through the stated sources in this article but I have at least found two reliable sources which cover him [here] and [here] Eruditescholar (talk) 05:16, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sigh. MTV Artists is not an independent reliable source. It is a "platform that puts the power directly in the hands of the artists". Read the disclaimer at the bottom of the page you linked. "This site contains content from artists, fans, and writers from around the internet in it's natural form." In this case matching content from official MCskill Tha Preacha, His facebook page, MyNotjustok, Soundcloud, coast2coastmixtapes. It's his promotional bio. The second is just a reproduction of a press release, see on his official site here and reproduced elsewere, see here, here, here, etc. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:45, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * First off, i have to say Pulse Nigeria is a very reliable source and that makes them a target of their posts being often copied by other news and music blogs. I have added two new independent sources here and here plus two other independent sources previously on the article here and here and I believe just because some publications on the subject are positive doesn't mean its promotional, its simply the truth written at the time of publishing. Even this publication by top journalist Ameyaw Debrah also cited in the article here is a very credible source. MustaphaNG (talk) 11:03, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Jerry Doby is a pr agent. Hype "Magazine" is one of his PR vehicles. He is not someone to be taken seriously. Last One. By Debrah? or just reposted by Debrah? You claim it's by him but this post dated January 23, 2012.  has much of the same promo wording as seen in a post on Multikrafts dated January 18, 2011 . The copying and reproduction of PR releases goes on and on. duffbeerforme (talk) 14:23, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * And this, this and this? Plus i wanna know,  if a credible platform reposts a news or any sort of information, does it make the information or subject less credible? To me, it means the subject is notable enough to be on the platform but i still need your opinion on it. MustaphaNG (talk) 15:02, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * upcominghiphop "Helping upcoming artists and producers become professionals" "Nigeriansounds Media is a Company which specializes in distributing Nigerian Music to the whole world" "Dearartiste is a music promotion, publicity and talent management company, that focuses on bringing up and ..."  So not independent reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm new on this whole deletion process thing but I've seen a policy on here that says a biography of a living person only needs atleast ONE reliable source and what you're saying now is this article does not have any reliable source even when Pulse NG, Nigerian Sounds and Ameyaw Debrah covered the subject which you claim are reposts and doesn't matter. These platforms according to you are not reliable and your reasons still baffles me. Upcoming Hip Hop wrote extensively on his song that had features from four countries and its still not reliable because they help upcoming artistes? No one forces anybody to write an article or a story on a subject, at least not where I'm from. This is not cited in the article but I pulled this off the subject's Official website. His feature on the March/April 2016 PRINT edition #173 of Germany’s popular Hip Hop magazine Juice. There's screenshots from the magazine, interview in English (as hard copies on sale is in German). You should check it here. If the Nigerian Rapper MCskill ThaPreacha wasn't NOTABLE, he DEFINITELY wouldn't have been featured on an international magazine like Juice. I mean, which top media house would want to do a story on someone that's not notable or someone that WON'T increase sales? The answer is NONE! Now, this is an offline source as the magazine is only available for sale and none of its contents are accessible online. I hope this convinces you on the subject's notability. MustaphaNG (talk) 08:22, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Just Mcskill talking about himself. Answering stock standard type questions. No independent writing. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:38, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete at best for now as the article is still questionable, we can wait for a better article. SwisterTwister   talk  22:47, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:39, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * i had to go through the stress of purchasing the Juice Magazin Edition #173 and also went through the stress of using google translator for the article written on MCskill ThaPreacha before the interview, there was an article on him on page 72 but its quite unfortunate its an offline source which i can't cite sources on but either way, i still maintain the rapper is relevant enough to have an article on Wikipedia because according to Wikipedia policies, biography of a living person should have at least one independent source and I'm 100% sure this article has that. MustaphaNG (talk) 22:31, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey MustaphaNG, if you have a print source that is a reliable source, you can cite it in this article. Even though Wikipedia heavily relies on online sources, offline sources are no less legit than online ones. It may help to use Template:Cite magazine. --Iamozy (talk) 14:04, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete: The subject of the article has not been discussed in significant detail. A Google search of the subject doesn't yield positive results in terms of the subject's significance. Having said that, the Juice magazine feature is notable. One can argue that one reliable source doesn't equate to significance.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 00:53, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Music1201  talk  02:25, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: This article looks promotional + I cannot even find the subject's name on some of the sources cited. Obvioulsy fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 09:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Couldn't find the subject's name on some of the sources cited? Why not include those sources for us to see? Because i see subject's name on every source cited. MustaphaNG (talk) 11:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This one here has no mention about him, then this one is a broken link. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 06:09, 11 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - Can't find enough in-depth coverage in reliable, independent sources to show that he meets WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:50, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.