Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MGM Grand Atlantic City


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep; closed by nominator per WP:SNOW, and the fact that the article has been modified sufficiently to demonstrate the project is real an ongoing. &mdash; Coren (talk) 19:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

MGM Grand Atlantic City

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Casino to be built; scheduled to finish by 2012. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. &mdash; Coren (talk) 02:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm Still updating the page - —Preceding unsigned comment added by B64 (talk • contribs) 02:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not a problem to have articles about future buildings and such as long as we simply report on what the plans for the building are, the timeline of construction, etc. As it stands, the article is in poor shape, I agree, but having the article is not in itself crystal balling. Weak Keep. — Verrai 02:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep but cleanup, per Verrai. We seem to have plenty of stubs about future large resorts (see for example Category:Proposed buildings) and even have relevant template, future building. Whether this hotel is notable is open for debate, however its sister hotels appear to have articles and I'm sure there is enough sources to turn it into a decent stub. Give it some time, I say. Rockpock  e  t  02:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - It truly is being planned and funded. Even it's planning garnered multiple secondary sources like the New York Times, Associated Press / Boston Globe (story mirrored by MSNBC ) and USA Today  to write in depth published works about it.  WP:CRYSTAL states very clearly "If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented."  This is beyond speculation and most certainly is well documented.  And what's with nominating this article for deletion within two minutes of its creation ?  Had the nom done a simple google news search, this wouldn't look like a case of WP:OSTRICH --Oakshade 03:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:CRYSTAL is persistently misinterpreted to mean "an article for any event that has not yet occurred must be deleted." What it in fact says is that "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred." This article is NOT speculation. It is about the concrete plans to construct such a building, supported by reliable sources, that would certainly be a notable structure when completed. The pattern of nominating an article for deletion two minutes after creation is abusive and must be put to an end, and is in clear violation of deletion policy, which explicitly requires nominators to make efforts to improve an article before the stampede to AfD. Further violations of this policy should not be tolerated. Alansohn 06:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep This is not just speculation, but a major project which is officially in progress. No crystal-ballery involved here. Yngvarr (t) (c) 11:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks everyone for your help - b64 - page creator of MGM Grand Atlantic City
 * Keep per Alansohn. WP:CRYSTAL isn't a ban on any articles on things planned/proposed/etc. contrary to popular belief... it exists to discourage articles that are pure speculation. --W.marsh 18:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep I agree with Yngvarr this is NOT speculation it is a major project currently in progress. Simon Bar Sinister 18:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.