Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MS-05A Zaku 1 Early Type


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Delete opinions are very much in a minority. There does seem to be agreement that the content would be better presented in merged articles, but not as to the targerts of any such merges. I recommend further discussion on the relevant talkpages about possible merges. WjBscribe 19:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

MS-05A Zaku 1 Early Type

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The former are unsourced, unattributable and non-notable fancruft. As it stands, they are merely plot summaries with zero real world context. MER-C 11:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * COMMENT Also, do not that we already have a much more refeined article on MS-05 Zaku I
 * Delete Pure fancruft, nearly zero reference to real world context including the Gundam media that these fictional concepts come from. This might be appropriate for a Gundam wiki but not here. --Daniel J. Leivick 20:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge the two Zaku articles into a holistic "Zaku" article or a "List of Zaku mobile suits". Weak keep Guncannon and Guntank, as they were two of the three original mobile suit concepts by Yoshiyuki Tomino (the third being the Gundam), the mastermind of the Gundam multimedia franchise. Uncertain on other two. -- saberwyn 22:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Two parts:
 * Merge or REDIRECT The Zakus into MS-05 Zaku I. GM-III merge to GM or even RX-78 Gundam.
 * Keep Guncannon and Guntank are the two of the most notable mecha in the Gundam franchaise, which by itself is notable; if not here, then definitely in Japan.
 * Personal Neutral On Gustav Karl. Let just give you a hint: even in Gundam universe, Kustav Karl is unheard of.
 * In all these case, please refer to WP:IDONTKNOWIT and WP:IDONTCARE. Do remember that Gundam is the most famous franchise in Japan, even more than Star trek and Star Wars. Furthermore, it's best to not do a WP:ALLORNOTHING here. 64.180.83.71 00:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC) Sorry, that's my IP addr. George Leung 00:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Whenever these Gundam articles come up people always claim that they are notable because Gundam itself is notable. The problem is that these articles on individual mecha contain little real world context ie how these fictional concepts fit into the real world.  Fictional characters and machinery are not really separate concepts from the media that creates them unless they have been discussed separately in some "out of universe" media.  In response to the IDONTKNOWIT arguement, while I don't know that much about Gundam I did nominate and merge most of the characters from my favorite movies the Aliens series.  While I love these characters and know alot about them, all the info in the articles comes from in universe sources and it was impossible to provide real world context. --Daniel J. Leivick 00:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Out of universe: Super Robot Wars George Leung 01:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

Merge the Zakus into the Zaku article, the same with the GM III into the GM article, Delete the Gustav Karl, and Keep the Guntank and Guncannon as those are units used by main characters in Gundam 0079 and thus noteable. Jtrainor 01:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way, MER-C, I would love to know why you never tag things for cleanup and instead always leap for the PROD or AFD solution. Jtrainor 02:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, the link to this entry are red in Gustav Karl's, GM III's, Guncannon's and Guntank's article. I corrected them all, but at least play it fair next time, please? Now, back to topic...
 * Delete both Zakus 1, already covered in MS-05 Zaku I (and it's very rare for people to use Zaku 1 to call MS-05.
 * Merge GM III into RGM-79 GM.
 * Keep Guncannon, has major role in story and cause inspiration on later mech show (Dragonar 2 from Metal Armor Dragonar, Dankov from Blue Comet SPT Layzner and Schwaltz from Super Robot Taisen: Original Generation for example).
 * Weak keep Guntank, has major role in story but has no major inspiration that I can remember.
 * Weak merge Gustav Karl into RGM-89 Jegan, otherwise Delete. L-Zwei 10:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. This AFD seems rather convoluted, with various suggestions to keep one, delete another, merge some, and do unspecified things to the rest.  As the general consensus seems to be somewhere between merging and keeping, I would suggest that discussion about a merge to a main article or a "List of characters" article be taken to the respective talk pages.  -- Black Falcon 22:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, my comment above constitutes a recommendation to keep all pending discussion on the talk pages and merges as appropriate. -- Black Falcon 22:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment This is generally what happens when people start hit-and-run AFDs instead of contacting the appropriate editors about article content. Jtrainor 22:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect all to Yoshiyuki Tomino and report this result on the Talk pages of all the relevant articles. It will then be up to the discretion of the editors at the different Talk pages as to where the material should be merged to. The separate articles are too weak to stand as they are, they are an embarrassment. If the editors can come up with a smaller set of articles that are reliably sourced, and tied back to the original shows, they are quite unlikely to be challenged in any further AfDs. Note that a redirect will not wind up deleting any content; the content will all survive in the histories of the various pages, under the redirects. EdJohnston 01:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Ehh...Zaku I Early Type appear in Zeonic Front game. it isn't Tomino's work. Also, why reader who want to read about mech a would want to read about show's author? L-Zwei 06:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep (or merge would be acceptable too). Seems to need a ton of cites but I think they can be salvaged. MrMacMan 06:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * merge everything here into one article? I would think that a separate topic for a specific thing within a fictional world is acceptable if there's a lot of important content to the article. E.g. in the recent lightsaber combat AfD the article was very detailed and well-researched, and would have taken up too much space within Star Wars -- whereas these articles are rather tiny and don't seem to have any value outside of their fictional universe. Maybe if the info gets merged into one single article, someone will see it and actually fix the content up a bit. Holy crap, do you see how many articles there are within this category? MS-05A is a tiny article that doesn't seem to have much value, but RX-75 and RX-77 are huge articles, and check out the large chart at the bottom of those 2 pages before casting a vote! At this point, I have to think the only options are keep all, move to their own wiki, or delete 1000 pages of Gundam content and watch a firestorm ensue. I think only a fan would be able to make an informed vote about this content, and only a suicidal person would want to discuss this issue from the standpoint of cruft. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 16:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.