Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MTV in popular culture (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete as popcult listcruft. Daniel Case 13:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

MTV in popular culture
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Delete - nominated once previously and closed no consensus, largely it appears on the strength of earnest declarations that the article could be "cleaned up." As with so many such earnestly kept articles, this cleanup hasn't happened and the article remains a directory of loosely associated items which have nothing in common with each other beyond some reference or other to MTV. Collecting a list of every time MTV is mentioned in the lyrics of a song or on a TV show says nothing about MTV, nothing about the items that mention it, nothing about their relationship to each other and nothing about the world. Note that the article mentioned to support the existence of this one, Jeopardy! in popular culture, has been deleted. Otto4711 02:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. This couldn't even be a section of MTV per WP:TRIVIA.-- aBSuRDiST  -T J C- 04:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:FIVE and others. Crazysuit 05:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete pure trivia - WP:FIVE Corpx 05:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, because a) these popular culture articles among the most intriguing and interesting on Wikipedia (I'd like to see many, many more of them actually) and b) in this particular instance it concerns a rather revolutionary TV channel that has had a strong influence on subsequent TV networks involving music. Best, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 05:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, they're interesting, but dont you think this information is trivial? Corpx 05:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not at all as it provides insight into how the subject has pervaded popular culture and by being in list form provides a useful list for anyone researching the topic. --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 05:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * To make this connection borders on WP:OR; there are no reliable third party references that state conclusively that these small nods to MTV's presence in pop culture somehow prove the subject matter's importance. If those were available for such trivial items, then I would agree with you, Le Grand.  As it stands now, it's unsourced and unencyclopedic, and therefore does not belong on Wikipedia.  I also argue that WP:USEFUL should not be applied here because Wikipedia is not a directory for trivia. María ( críticame ) 02:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - the very first, totally unsourced, paragraph might be cleaned up, and put into the main article. Maybe.  If you could source it -- which I doubt.  The rest of it is a laundry list of trivia; random mentions of MTV in any context, in any popular culture medium.  --Haemo 06:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete The Corrs once mentioned MTV in a song, South Park mentioned MTV a couple of times - so what? It's pure OR to suggest that this list of loosely related trivia is evidence of any notable phenomenon. It might be possible to write an encyclopaedic examination of the pervasive influence of MTV on popular culture, but it would be done by reference to published sources which examine the topic, not by collecting random facts. Iain99 08:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:ATRIV was made for a reason. Delete this along with all the other trivia articles in Category:In popular culture (as of typing, there are 121 other articles on Wikipedia like this). Spellcast 12:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete can we have a bot that gets rid of all "in popular culture" lists? Please? pretty please? Totnesmartin 14:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. StudierMalMarburg 19:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete another one of those, although some elements have sources and those can be merged into the MTV article.--JForget 23:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per all above and all other 'IPC' results ad infinitum. CaveatLectorTalk 01:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as a violation of WP:NOT. María ( críticame ) 02:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete because this is a list of indiscriminate, unrelated trivia entries that does not assert the notability of the topic. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 02:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete None of these sets of scrappy un-filtered notes can ever become a encyclopedia article. Golfcam 17:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.