Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MV Harambee


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Mediran  ( t  •  c ) 00:43, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

MV Harambee

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Fails WP:GNG (previously nominated for speedy in error, as ships don't count for A7) MJH (talk) 03:01, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Uncertain - I believe the 1980 scrapping may be inaccurate as Google Books found a result here (second from the top) which confirms it existed in 1970 and was commissioned for Kenya. However, if you notice the other results, a ship called "MV Harambee" was used in Kenya for years after that. This 1986 result indicates that Eastern African Shipping Line "collapsed in 1980". Viewing this result, however, another ship with the same name was commissioned in 1990 so they may not all be related and Google News found a 2012 result here which may strengthen this. To help clarify this, we may need editors familiar with Kenyan history and shipping. SwisterTwister   talk  19:20, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You're confusing two different vessels. One was a harbour ferry, see Likoni Ferry, but the subject of this article was an ocean-going cargo ship, see photos in . - David Biddulph (talk) 17:15, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Question - Every large ship is recorded in a registry somewhere - do they all qualify for articles? I assumed that it needed to meet WP:GNG of references and editorial discussion, ie as a special ship or incident. --MJH (talk) 23:10, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:09, 13 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think bulk carriers are generally large enough for notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:52, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mediran  talk to me! 09:32, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2012 December 15.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  17:05, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete . I fail to see the significance or notability. Cuprum17 (talk) 18:24, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - I have changed my mind on this because of the work done since I first saw the article. Cuprum17 (talk) 00:27, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Since nomination, Benea has turned this into a quite good article, and added an as yet unreferenced claim that the ship was on a postage stamp. This now should survive AfD with a valid claim, but get an add refs tag.--Nixie9 (talk) 16:30, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - I would have added the evidence, this nifty little stamp seen stage right MV HARAMBEE STAMP.jpg, but the licensing is dodgy which made me pause. I'm not sure of the copyright status on 1960s era commonwealth stamps, as to whether the stamp is public domain for other reasons, but I'm fairly sure it is not 'own work' as the uploader has, presumably in good faith, claimed. Benea (talk) 16:49, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, following Benea's good work, the ship clearly passes GNG now. Mjroots (talk) 19:11, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep following expansion, and commence traditional "Praise Benea" chant. Buggie111 (talk) 20:32, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Definitely keep - I've worked it over again and added some more references. I'm sure that I've seen article somewhere on East African Shipping Line, perhaps in Sea Breezes?  Not a stub now, methinks.Davidships (talk) 20:05, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
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