Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MV Spiegelgracht


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 13:01, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

MV Spiegelgracht

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One-sentence stub about a non-notable ship. bobrayner (talk) 20:48, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed, this article should be Deleted. This ship is a non-notable s-type cargo vessel.--Tzadkiel43 (talk) 23:08, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - a quick Googling has this pop up as the very second result (the first being the article in question here). This was also found, as was a cite (paywalled, apparently) from Jane's Merchant Ships. I believe sufficent information is available to establish notability. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:55, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Following expansion. Disappointing to see that again an assumption of presumed 'non-notability' was made, and that no attempt was made to 1) look for sources and 2) use those sources to expand beyond a one sentence stub. If anyone has access to Jane's, that would be a further source to add. Benea (talk) 04:48, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment – I don't know. Spliethoff (on which we don't have an article; the Dutch and Finnish Wikipedia's do have one: Spliethoff Group ; Spliethoff ) operates a fleet of some 55 ships. Spiegelgracht is only one of 80 freighters used by Sevenstar (a company owned by Spliethoff) to transport pleasure yachts on deck. Spiegelgracht is one of 11 largely identical "S-type" ships built in 2000–2004 (see http://www.spliethoff.com/Fleets/S-type.aspx?objectname=FleetShow&objectId=6), all owned and operated by Spliethoff. I don't think we should have separate articles on each. Is there some argument why Spiegelgracht should be singled out to give it the full article treatment?  --Lambiam 10:23, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Is there any reason why all eleven ships shouldn't have a full article. Mjroots (talk) 11:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SHIPS long-standing convention that, subject to meeting GNG, all ships over 100'/100 tons are capable of sustaining their own articles. The article needs a bit of improvement (structure, descripiton, history) but needing improvement is never a reason to delete. Mjroots (talk) 11:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Just needs expansion and more work.--Wpwatchdog (talk) 15:21, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per GNG. Nice work Benea & MJ.  Haus Talk 03:41, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.