Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ma Bourgogne


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. TravellingCari 04:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Ma Bourgogne

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Café in Paris. A few web references note it as a nice place to have lunch but the notability is really a stretch. There are very few cafés in the heart of Paris that don't have at least one good Sartre/de Beauvoir story and there's little if any room for expanding this article beyond the current stub. Note also that the article does not exist on the French wiki and that does say something about the lack of historical significance of the place. Pichpich (talk) 20:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non notable and will remain an orphan. Operating (talk) 21:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:20, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep There appear to be reviews in the LA times, St. Petersburg Times, and New York Times While most are behind a pay wall, not all are.  The reviews often hit 3-8 cafes at a time, but I'm getting 63 news hits and each of the ones I looked at looked substantive if short.  Looks like it meets WP:N.  Hobit (talk) 01:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. Proxy User (talk) 02:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per the reliable sources found by Hobit. This cafe has also received much coverage in books as seen in this Google Books search. The cafe is given a detailed review in The Food Lover's Guide to Paris, and multiple reviews in other travel books such as Rick Steves' Paris, America Inside Out, etc. There are a couple reviews in newspapers that are not under a pay wall, including two NY Times articles. The cafe was also the place where Georges Simenon's character Mrs. Wells ponders about murder mysteries. The numerous reviews in newspapers from all over the world such as The New York Times, Washington Post, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Miami Herald, Toronto Star, Telegraph.co.uk, as well as the wide coverage in traveling books and the influence this cafe has had internationally, definitely establish this cafe's notability. Cunard (talk) 03:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per the sources. A good case for requiring careful searches. You cannot count on finding everything in G. DGG (talk) 03:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Widely reviewed and with at least some claim to historical importance. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  04:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


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