Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mac DVDRipper Pro


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Mac DVDRipper Pro

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The article appears to fail to meet WP:NSOFT. Searching Google News, I can only find press releases and the normal selection of product reviews that would apply to almost every software product and nothing to establish long term impact on the historic record such as international awards. Fæ (talk) 18:20, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.  -- Fæ (talk) 18:20, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I've added some points on the discussion page of Mac DVDRipper Pro --maknak — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maknak (talk • contribs) 18:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Note Article creator is a probable SPA: . (Apparently now using the account ) OSbornarfcontributionatoration 18:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you have evidence then please use the normal WP:SPI process rather than making speculative claims in an AfD. Thanks, Fæ (talk) 19:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NSOFT notes that:
 * Software that is just another entry in a crowded field will need more persuasively significant sources, of a kind that indicate that it stands out from the crowd.
 * The review provided by the author (whose curiously COI user-name should give us all pause) indicates that this product not only is not outstanding in its field, but compares rather poorly to its competition. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:41, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Typical Wikipedia spam. An article most likely created by the product author (see above), who, immediately after creating his single-purpose account, advertises it in other Wikipedia articles, too (see his contributions). I can't see significant coverage in reputable sources, either in Google results, books (zero results) or elsewhere, which is a requirement in the general notability guideline (the article mentions two reviews at Macworld.com, but that's not something I would call "significant coverage"). And the more specific product notability guideline says that products generally should not have their own articles unless they are really notable (or not created by companies). And even though the software notability essay is not an official Wikipedia guideline, it says it "may be consulted for assistance during an AfD discussion". It also says that "the mere existence of reviews does not mean the software is notable. Reviews must be significant" and/or from multiple printed sources, or "The software is discussed in reliable sources as significant in its particular field". Which is not the case here.&mdash;J. M. (talk) 19:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Maknak (talk) 19:20, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do help maintain Mac DVDRipper Pro. While I did not know about all the rules for account names, I changed name to follow the rules the best I can. I do intend to add entries for other softwares I do help maintain. This is the first time I try editing Wikipedia and I'm eager to follow rules and learn them.
 * Mac DVDRipper Pro is the main competitor to RipIt (MacTheRipper being another one, but not only it has legal issues, the easily available version is quite outdated, and the last version is quite difficult to obtain - if obtainable at all - see user comments. HandBrake is not the same (it converts, does not make identical backups).
 * Download counters on both Mac DVDRipper Pro's macupdate page and RipIt's macupdate page are of similar levels and show the competition.
 * Software that is just another entry in a crowded field [...] as written, Mac DVDRipper Pro is currently the only serious contestant to RipIt, which does not feature Movie only rips.
 * Just like RipIt, it should be part of WikiProject Computing, Software and Macintosh
 * Mac DVDRipper Pro was part of MUPromo's spring bundle and as such is registered by tens of thousands of people - that's a lot more active users than many softwares on Wikipedia which are not listed for deletion.
 * As for "compar[ing] rather poorly", this is a bit strongly worded: Mac DVDRipper Pro is still quite less expensive and is found by many of its users to be excellent at what it does for a decent price, see user comments
 * If I had know that editing other pages to link back to Mac DVDRipper Pro would be constructed as something negative, I would have refrained from doing so until the page could be reviewed.

Maknak (talk) 19:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, Mac DVDRipper Pro has the ability to burn a copy, which further distinguish it from other DVD Rippers: no other known dvd ripper on the mac has that ability
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.