Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Macarthur Square


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. --Ezeu 18:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Macarthur Square
Local shopping mall Skysmith 11:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable local mall.  (aeropagitica)    (talk)   15:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. Campbelltown, New South Wales mall operating since 1979. Article reads like an ad at the moment. 40 references in an Australia New Zealand database so some potential for rewrite. Capitalistroadster 20:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions.   -- Capitalistroadster 20:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete unless... the authors find some way to make this more than just a grab bag of facts. The problem here is notability. Too much of the article is just information. The authors need to give some organization to the article and some background: when was it built, what was there before, what is there besides stores, any public institutions there (lawyers, government)? I don't like malls in general but realize that in many places, especially the US, but maybe also Australia, urban growth the past half century has not favored traditional, mixed-use commercial/public/residential neighborhoods. Such traditional neighborhoods certainly have sufficient notability to be included in Wikipedia: I think of Uptown, Chicago where I live. However, these newer communities often find it difficult get covered here. I don't want to have a blanket rule that says "no malls can be featured here unless they meet stringent criteria." The criteria should be no more restrictive than those that allow, for example, Uptown, Chicago to be on here. Otherwise, most people who live in new communities will find that their commercial life will be excluded, by fiat, from Wikipedia. Inter lingua  talk 22:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete unless... the authors find some way to make this more than just a grab bag of facts. The problem here is notability. Too much of the article is just information. The authors need to give some organization to the article and some background: when was it built, what was there before, what is there besides stores, any public institutions there (lawyers, government)? I don't like malls in general but realize that in many places, especially the US, but maybe also Australia, urban growth the past half century has not favored traditional, mixed-use commercial/public/residential neighborhoods. Such traditional neighborhoods certainly have sufficient notability to be included in Wikipedia: I think of Uptown, Chicago where I live. However, these newer communities often find it difficult get covered here. I don't want to have a blanket rule that says "no malls can be featured here unless they meet stringent criteria." The criteria should be no more restrictive than those that allow, for example, Uptown, Chicago to be on here. Otherwise, most people who live in new communities will find that their commercial life will be excluded, by fiat, from Wikipedia. Inter lingua  talk 22:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable shopping centre. --Roisterer 06:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep no conceptual difference to railway stations or other geographical features. We keep other large shopping centres (see List of shopping centres in Australia, nobody can tell me these should all go). But, this one doesn't need this much information and needs a rewrite (to remove crap like 'Parents pushing baby carriages are also a common sight' and near-advertising throughout). Jammo (SM247) 22:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as many other similar sized malls have articles. Though it obviously needs a rewrite, and isn't notable enough to derserve an article more than one or two paragraphs. Mako 02:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I@n &equiv; talk 04:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Rebecca 14:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Barely.  Needs massive rewrite. "A parking lot surrounds the mall, with painted lines dividing parking spaces."  Some of this has got to be a joke. --Satori Son 15:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Dreadful article, but notable enough. --Canley 03:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable shopping centre. For a shopping centre to be notable it needs a special feature like largest in Australia, architecturally notable or something! This has nothing special to distiguish it from thousands of malls and arcades arounf the world. BlueValour 21:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per comments above. --JJay 02:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment At best, this should be merged into the Campbelltown, New South Wales article as a reference that it is there. A transient list of stores (mostly closed) in a small shopping mall has no place in a serious encyclopaedia. BlueValour 02:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.