Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Macclesfield Chess Club


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The result was   delete. I'm open to userfication if someone wants to put in some work toward refactoring this as George Beach (chess) j⚛e deckertalk 14:17, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Macclesfield Chess Club

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This is a local, amateur chess club that fails WP:ORG. I wasn't able to find any significant coverage in reliable sources. The sources in the article are about the founder, and don't discuss the actual club. Even the article's author says in the talk page that "I now realise that a page about a particular club is not really appropriate to Wikipedia." Tavix | Talk  02:05, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The club meets once a week for only part of the year. Enough said. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:46, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete - local club that wouldn't seem to meet WP:ORGDEPTH.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 07:32, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - "I now realise that a page about a particular club is not really appropriate to Wikipedia." That depends on the club. The Marshall Chess Club and the Manhattan Chess Club are definitely notable, at least from a chess point of view. So far I've only found primary sources for Macclesfield chess club, but I'm withholding judgement for now. MaxBrowne (talk) 09:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Further Comment - The thing that inclines me to keep it is that it is well researched and cites sources. This is not a "garage band" article. MaxBrowne (talk) 00:00, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Except that the sources cited don't relate to the club, per se, they relate to Dr George Beach. The article is effectively a biography of George Beach, presented as an article about the club he founded. I'm not convinced either is notable but with regard to the club itself, WP:ORGDEPTH still applies. It wouldn't inherit notability from him even if he were notable. But I certainly agree that such clubs can be notable if they meet that guideline.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 00:31, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well from the point of view of a chess player, there's some great stuff here. This is information worth preserving. MaxBrowne (talk) 03:42, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem is that there would be great stuff worth keeping if this club is notable. Read WP:ORG (especially WP:ORGDEPTH) for more information as to why this club isn't notable. If you are able to find independent, reliable sources to back up all this information, then we shouldn't have a problem keeping it somewhere. Tavix | Talk  15:41, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Given the sources, I'd be more inclined to move to George Beach (chess) than keep an article about a non-notable club. We could preserve 90% of the content that way.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 20:27, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you think Mr. Beach is notable though? Two of the sources are his obituary, and the other one is from a book that I can't verify. Tavix | Talk  02:03, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * A search for that article title brings up a couple of other sources. The obituaries are a good start. I'm not saying it's a done deal, I'm just saying that would be better than keeping the club article. I still think it should be deleted. We'd probably end up back here, so I'm not sure there's a lot of long-term value.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 02:19, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - I can't find significant coverage of this club in reliable sources, only trivial mentions. Sasata (talk) 17:32, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
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