Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Macedonia – United Arab Emirates relations


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The result was   delete. Shi meru  06:30, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Macedonia – United Arab Emirates relations

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this current article is mainly based on one source. the only real coverage I found in gnews was that the 2 countries foreign ministers met last year. that in itself is not enough to make an article. yes UAE recognises Macedonia but so do many countries. and those wanting to barrel scarpe for bilateral relations Macedonians working for a UAE firm were taken hostage in Iraq. Please note that bilateral relations are not inherently notable. LibStar (talk) 13:45, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Macedonia-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete—only the most trivial of interactions, and the sources are not the third-party references which are required, basically all coming from the national government(s) in question. ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  You may go away now.  ─╢ 16:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per the explanation here. MickMacNee (talk) 17:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per TreasuryTag.   talk 22:34, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per multiple independent sources establishing high level bilateral contact and increasing economic relations.--TM 13:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Do these "multiple independent sources" include the Macedonian Foreign Ministry and the Macedonian state information agency? ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  sheriff  ─╢ 13:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps they are less than what those in the Western world would call independent, but the meetings speak for themselves. High level bilateral contact has occurred multiple times between government officials and business relations are growing.--TM 14:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So, to be absolutely clear, you consider the Macedonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs to be an independent and neutral source as regards the topic of Macedonian foreign relations? ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  hemicycle  ─╢ 14:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That a government minister is meeting another, yes.--TM 15:05, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm afraid you are simply incorrect. WP:GNG clearly defines "independent of the subject" as excluding works produced by those affiliated with the subject including (but not limited to): self-publicity, [...] press releases, etc. So a press release from the Macedonian Foreign Ministry about Macedonian foreign relations is not independent under Wikipedia policy, sorry. ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  belonger  ─╢ 19:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * delete you don't synthesize an article about relations based on a couple of metings... let alone meetings you found in primarysources.. would invite people continue discussion at VP/P Arskwad (talk) 15:59, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete sources are either published by one of the two governments (i.e. not independent) or merely cover isolated meetings without discussing the wider relationship between these two countries (they don't cover the subject of the article). The fact that the UAE recognises the name of Macedonia and that they share an opinion on several international issues is irrelevant, so do many other countries. I simply cannot see the level of contact between the two countries that would justify a bilateral relations article. Hut 8.5 10:05, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As the discussion seems headed towards deletion, I hope we will at least merge the content in this article elsewhere so as not to lose it.--TM 10:13, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Reasonably well sourced. Due to the growing importance of bilateral relations in our increasingly multi-polar world its probably worthwhile to relax the GNG slightly in favour of useful articles such as this one. FeydHuxtable (talk) 17:02, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * we don't relax criteria to suit your own personal preferences. next thing you want would be relax WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC], [[WP:CORP. LibStar (talk) 13:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete- I agree with arskwad and TreasuryTag. This article is a violation of WP:SYNTH, concocted upon some vague expressions of agreeableness between the two nations, and reported in non-secondary sources. Reyk  YO!  06:32, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The headline to one of the news links in the article is "UAE Ministry of Economy meets Macedonian Minister of Foreign Investment to discuss stronger bilateral trade". Sounds like a bilateral relationship between the countries.  Newspapers in both countries surely cover these meetings.    D r e a m Focus  05:44, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
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