Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Macedonian Cross


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The result was   delete. Wizardman 03:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Macedonian Cross

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Unsourced stub about a type of ornamental cross that some people seem to want to stylize into a national-relgious symbol. It is apparently true that some people in the Macedonian Orthodox Church have used this design for a medal of some sort (see this article which seems to be talking about that and from where the original illustration of our page was also stolen). But the claim that this is a traditional and specifically Macedonian ornament, that it has been "discovered" in several churches (how? was it hidden or unknown previously?), and that it has been discussed as such by "international archaeologists" seems unsubstantiated (I don't know if that newspaper article makes claims to that effect, but I'd be wary about accepting it as a reliable source anyway.) Most likely, this is an entirely non-notable movement by some small group of inventing a symbol for themselves. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete None of the claims made by the article could be verified by any of the 200+ Google hits for "Macedonian Cross". This is nothing more than WP:CRUFT. SWik78 (talk • contribs) 14:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: To be fair, the more relevant google search would apparently be for Македонскиот крст, which has a handful of hits, essentially two newspaper articles dealing with the use of the design on a church medal and a few forum threads based on these. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:16, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Point taken. Well, I stand by what I said about available English sources but if someone can step up and verify the claims in the article based on any of the Macedonain links you provided, I'm willing to change my vote. SWik78 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. Sounds more like some local artistic variation which someone is trying to build into a national symbol in support of a new nation. All of this is highly controversial but the national tradition should be built on real facts and not on trivial fabrications. Ron B. Thomson (talk) 21:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. I doubt even a handful of sources could make this a decently notable article. Köbra Könverse 11:32, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * comment May be merge with east orthodox church cross. Nobonobo (talk) 02:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. keep definitely. notability is proved. Cukiger (talk) 04:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Where is the proof of notability? SWik78 (talk • contribs) 12:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.