Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Macedonian mafia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR per low participation herein. North America1000 05:23, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Macedonian mafia

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Lack of significant coverage by reliable third parties. The entire article is based on the premise that non-notable criminals of Macedonian descent all have gangs and that these somehow form a "mafia". I haven't really seen a reliable source that makes this connection. Fails WP:ORG Niteshift36 (talk) 22:34, 17 June 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 06:26, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article quite clearly satisfies WP:ORG as per the extensive coverage shown in the references. I cannot determine whether the sources are reliable, but perhaps an admin from the Macedonian Wikipedia could. The premise that criminals of Macedonian descent are linked by ethnic ties cannot simply be dismissed and, at least within Germany (I am from Frankfurt and the problems with Macedonian criminal groups are notorious), is substantiated by quite a bit of evidence. Moreover, if the premise is quite clearly accepted for Serbian mafia, I don't see why it would be dismissed for Macedonian mafia. However, the article should be rewritten and include information on the mafia's history, structure (list of groups/gangs), activities in other countries, etc. --Arbraxan (talk) 11:46, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That "extensive coverage" lists some events that people from Macedonia were arrested for. Where does the coverage about the organization come in? This implies that all Macedonian criminals are connected in an organization, but we don't see the coverage of that alleged fact.Niteshift36 (talk) 14:07, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment/Rename Maybe 'List of people with involvement in organised crime with Macedonian connections'? would describe the content more accurately? Niteshift's point is right - the 'forming a mafia' point seems unsourced. But the data on all these Macedonian criminals is notable and needs to be retained. Buckshot06 (talk) 23:29, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:18, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Uanfala (talk) 22:39, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Macedonia-related deletion discussions. Uanfala (talk) 22:39, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


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