Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maddison Gabriel


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Kept. After reviewing her article and the associated refs, I think she clearly deserves an article. Her modelling career may not be much yet, but the furvor over her winning the title in 2007 is significant. Looks as if her winning the gold coast event sparked a movement which resulted in a change in the laws in Australia. This is significant and her role in that change was more than marginal.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 01:25, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Maddison Gabriel

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Suspect notability. Article has the refs, but as it's been noted in two PRODs, the refs only point to the subject being known for a single news item three years ago. A quick check of her Fashion Model Directory profile shows she has done literally nothing since then.  Mbinebri  talk &larr; 21:18, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete Completly fails WP:BIO. scope_creep (talk) 00:58, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Has signed with Elite, one of the World's biggest modeling agencies, has been the subject of articles from all around the world (see references) and even caused the Australian prime minister to comment on the situation. She is NOT known for a single news item. She is known for being the face of Gold Coast Fashion week at 12 years old, but also for signing for Elite Models. 24.122.11.178 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 19:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC).


 * Strong Keep She also made the news again after being "stalked" by an American convict who requested pictures of her by writing to a newspaper. And by the way, this model was the subject of comments by the prime minister of Australia AND the leader of the opposition. She made the news numerous times and is one of modeling's rising star. So this deletionist nonsense must stop NOW Terveetkadet (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep This seems like a young article and should probably be userfied rather than deleted entirely. Designsbyd (talk • global contribs  • email) 07:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong delete Absolutely zero notability. Being stalked is not encyclopedic as we're WP:NOTNEWS.  There are thousands of 12 year old models, ho-hum. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 20:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Was the subject of articles all around the world for the Gold Coast Week, for signing with Elite after being courted by all the big modeling agencies and her mother also commented heavily in the media because of the stalker thing. Like Monika Jagaciak, she is a very important person, especialy in the context of a better understanding of the issues related to age and modeling since many fashion festivals now forbid models below 16 on runways but still, agencies still hire 12, 13 and 14 years old models. 207.134.167.39 (talk) 14:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * And she may not be THAT well-known in the U.S. yet but she sure is in Australia and New Zealand, where she is regularly featured in magazines and newspaper articles. 207.134.167.39 (talk) 22:34, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * A lot more info AND references have been added showing that she has been active in modeling AND acting since 2007. She has been featured in many Australian magazines and other magazines in Europe too and is in a Bryan Ferry video. This article has been enhanced and can be enhanced again in the future Terveetkadet (talk) 05:12, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Has international recognition, and multiple independent sources.  Turgan Talk 12:21, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Stong Keep is used in Australian schools as a source of reference for English Essays on self esteeme and has even had reference made to her in Journalistic studies at Griffith University on the Gold Coast. Has had "facebook" pages made from young fans in the USA. Young girls around the world actually still try to contact her and are interested in her continued growth. User:Michelle Gabriel 12.00pm 23rd August 2010  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.29.34.214 (talk) 01:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You're aware that signing someone else's name is a no-no. These WP:SPA's and possible WP:SOCKs are far too amazing. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 09:25, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Sockpuppet of who??? That seems crazy but User:Michelle Gabriel's IP is actually from Australia, on the Gold Coast. I'm a bit sceptic because of the writing errors, especialy in the name Tugun (which was incorrectly written Tugan) but that actually might be her mother or someone close to her because on the info she gave, including the school that she attends now, which seems to be exact with the checks I made today Terveetkadet (talk) 04:01, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I am her mother. I suffer from dyslexia and sometimes spell things wrong, Just looked up her passport - you are right it is spelt Tugun! I've always spelts it Tugan. Sorry for my mistake. You also Spelt "Sidney" wrong which I corrected which is Sydney. What else do you want for me to prove I am her mother? My full name is Michelle Carolynne Gabriel, my maiden name is Kortum. I come from Melbourne originally and moved to the Gold Coast over 20 years ago. I don't know how to use this very well but thought it was wroth showing you my IP address so you could see I am from Gold Coast Australia - to try to prove who I am. You can also check me out on Facebook, where I have Maddi as one of my friends and also a hoax Maddi that I am trying to talk into deleting (she is a 13yo from USA, who is also now a friend also) Sorry I can't spell:-) I am trying to help make sure this is all correct information.  User:Michelle Gabriel - Maddi's Mum  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.29.34.214 (talk) 00:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Personally, Mrs Gabriel, I truly appreciate your contributions, as it helps make the page more complete and you have info that most of us don't have access to. I am not the person who became angry at your comments Terveetkadet (talk) 01:11, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Terveeetkadet, I finally found out what sockpuppet meant! And thank you for your words. I really was only trying to help and make things correct as I am sure it is helpful if Wikipedia has correct information as so many kids use it for references for their school work these days. If there are other questions you have (just as long as they are not to personal) we are willing to answer them. Also if you want more up to date photo's too, we can supply (if someone explains how!) Sorry that the other person doesn't think I am a real person.  I am, I can assure you!  I also do not like people pretending to be others! Anyway hopefully the information I have supplied helps and sorry I don't edit well and correct my spelling and bad typing as well as I should (you should see my texting capabilities!) User:Michelle Gabriel  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.29.34.214 (talk) 04:39, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per NOTNEWS and ONEEVENT. Only notable for being in the news and nothing else. (Possibly two events, including the later stalking incident but still not news.) Modeling career not notable. Christopher Connor (talk) 03:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * (changed to comment) Her career is not noteable yet, due to the fact that Australia changed the age to 16 for models because of her starting to model at 13. Other models have lied about their age to be able to model before 16 but as she was known she couldn't and wouldn't lie about her age.  For a 15 yo she has travelled and worked on three continents, has been asked to also model in China, Malayasia and Japan but hasn't due to finishing school.  This is the start of a career that will continue and in the next few years potentially blossom.  Both Fashion in Italy and Storm in London wanted her to give up school to model full time as they can see her potential, however she has decided to continue school for the next year.  After than she will then model full time and from what all the agents say has a potential of a very long career ahead of her.  This information now is pertanant to many who are still following her career.  Many teenage girls look up to her and see her as a potential and role model for them. Michelle Gabriel  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.29.34.214 (talk) 11:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: as this is a second "keep" !vote by the same IP (I'm sure it's by accident WP:AGF, I've changed it to a comment ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 16:21, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the Gold Coast Fashion Week thing, the other contest she won, the fact she signed for Elite, the fact she models on many continents, the fact that she has worked for many agencies and posed in many magazines, the fact that she appears in a Bryan Ferry video, the fact that she has been the subject of articles from independent sources all around the world makes her notable not only in Australia but internationnaly. Meets the criteria for notability more than what's asked for... 207.134.167.39 (talk) 12:53, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 * If her career, per your admission, is not notable yet (not to mention she's more concerned with being a student), she shouldn't have an article; notability is not based on what might happen in the future. Also, if a debate is relisted, you don't need to vote again.  To 207.134.167.39: the significant coverage is all related to the news items.  Her career is sourced entirely to a talent directory and a page created by an agency, and all they verify is a trio of editorials—which is entirely unremarkable.    Mbinebri   talk &larr; 14:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 *  Mbinebri  talk &larr; I hope you understood that User:Michelle Gabriel is not familiar with Wikipedia and that her last comments don't mean that she agrees that Maddison Gabriel doesn't fit the notability guidelines. She's just trying her best to help improve this page. MANY notable teenage models now model part-time, especially in Australia because of the recent regulations about young models on catwalks and both Maddison Gabriel and Monika Jagaciak are important for the understanding of that issue. Many teenage models or athletes are doing it part time too cause school is important to them. Should they be declared «not notable» because school is important to them? I don't think so. Maddison has been featured in many publications in Australia and all around the world and is in a Bryan Ferry video, she has also been signed by Elite models, those items have nothing to do with the news item you keep coming back with. There are people who are known only for being in an Internet meme and who have their Wikipedia pages. I respectfully think that Maddison Gabriel is not less notable than the Numa Numa Guy  207.134.167.39 (talk) 15:06, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh please don't slip into the WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument...that only has one outcome. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 16:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track )I think I explained my point of view in a respectful manner and I never qualified any article of being «crap» so I don't understand why you use those words and that tone 207.134.167.39 (talk) 17:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you even read the linked essay, or just fail to assume good faith from the start? What the essay means is that just because we might have articles about internet meme's (which probably should not exist), do not use it as an argument about another article existing - giving that argument typically is the death knell for any article. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 17:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
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