Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Made in Baltics


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  08:53, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Made in Baltics

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There isn't any significant coverage about the company. Sources in the article are mostly namedrops, with the aim of a WP:REFBOMB. ~Styyx Talk? ^-^ 21:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
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 * Unsure - The related page List of Made In Baltics artists currently also has a AfD discussion and it is hard to determine the appropriate response to this AfD until the result of that process has completed. Gusfriend (talk) 22:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * that article has now been deleted at AfD. Richard3120 (talk) 16:35, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Abstain - Comments I am not against this article, I really had a problem with the multiple short mini articles all related to one subject. There seem to be a number of issues surrounding this that need addressing. The other AfD posted above really needs resolving first. Govvy (talk) 10:18, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete unless more sources can be found to demonstrate the label's notability. I have now re-merged in the items and references from List of Made In Baltics artists; the creator of both this article and its two related lists,, had previously incorporated the contents of List of Made In Baltics singles, so the article should now contain all the information and references we have about the label. I used ref names for a couple of repeated references that I spotted, removed the duplicate listing of artists from the intro while making sure we were citing its references, removed all the DAB pages I could identify and added what interwiki links I could to demonstrate that some of the redlinked artists have articles on Estonian Wikipedia. The article has a history of rejection by reviewers as not demonstrating notability: it has been both PRODded and draftified and then was rejected at AfC before being recreated. There is also a suspicion of conflict-of-interest editing, which has been denied by PauliineMitt. This is a recently established label, founded in 2018. From going through the article, which I have wound up extensively rewriting, I have the impression its main claims to notability are the association with Ewert and The Two Dragons and the Estonian Record Label Of The Year award. But I don't see that the article actually documents Ewert and The Two Dragons releasing recordings with Made In Baltics; most of the references about that group in the article, including in the Acclaim section, refer to before 2018, neither of their albums cited as highly successful was released on Made In Baltics, I looked for mention of Made In Baltics in the reference for their 2021 live album release and found none, and I've added a "clarification needed" tag to the statement that the group began its association with Made In Baltics in 2009. Perhaps 2019? Perhaps the association is actually with Ewert Sundja and Erki Pärnoja, both founder members of the group? (Here on en., Sundja is a redirect to the group article.) Also, the article claims that associated artists have an impressive set of achievements "[t]hroughout its existence"; that needs references to establish that the achievements were while the artists were with Made In Baltics, not before. The claimed awards to the label's founder also need sourcing. And most fundamentally, I don't see evidence of much having been published in third-party sources about the label itself, as opposed to someone having released something on the label. It's possible that such sources exist, and/or sources establishing that the label's line-up is truly stellar and it has released several hit records. But I can't read Estonian to check whether the existing sources simply aren't being effectively cited to demonstrate this, or whether such sources exist and we aren't citing them. So as it stands I agree with the earlier reviewers that notability is not demonstrated; but PauliineMitt now has a better understanding of the requirements for a page, and may be able to fix that referencing problem by showing that the sources do demonstrate notability, referencing the unsupported claims in the article, and/or tracking down extended coverage of the company. If she or someone else can do so, I'll happily change my !vote to a keep, and in the meantime I've tried with my consolidation and rewriting to make the article clearer in its claims and references, to assist in that task as well as in evaluating it. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:17, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Query: Would this make sense as merger to and intro for List of Made In Baltics singles which could do with more prose? Star   Mississippi  03:44, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Couldn't ask anymore of Yngvadottir and I agree with her summary above, NCORP notability criteria have not been met.  HighKing++ 11:57, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom, particularly agreeing with the WP:REFBOMB comment. So many references for such a short article, none of them really covering the subject in any detail. Ifnord (talk) 23:04, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.