Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madeline Mulqueen


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The result was   delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 06:19, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Madeline Mulqueen

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Classic BLP1E case. This model is really only known for having played a part in a YouTube video of a song that made #2 in the Irish charts. It's simply not enough for general notability. A l is o n ❤ 03:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


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I have added further musical and model information for consideration. I'm not sure how to show this. I hope this link comparing my edit to the previous edit is sufficient: | edit differences —Anon. 16:27, 21 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.226.32.57 (talk • contribs) 16:30, December 21, 2010


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- -- Cirt (talk) 18:27, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete – Quite obviously as Alison has stated a person notable, and only just barely, for one event. Sswonk (talk) 02:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per nom. Additional refs/etc provided by Anon address VER issues, but BLP1E issue not addressed. (Doesn't meet notability guidelines under WP:MUSICBIO, WP:BIO, or WP:SIGCOV.) Guliolopez (talk) 11:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. If the subject gets additional work that inches her closer to notability, this one might get revisited - but I see no evidence of that at the moment. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 14:09, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Ireland is a small country with a population of approx 4 million. While the song, Horse Outside, may have only reached number 2 in the Irish Charts, the YouTube video was no. 1 in Ireland, having achieved almost 4 million views (within 2 1/2 weeks). This has made Madeline a very notable person in Ireland; with Facebook Groups springing up with 15,000+ Facebook Fans ( http://en-gb.facebook.com/pages/Madeline-Mulqueen-Rubberbandits/126487250748771?v=wall&filter=1 / http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Bridesmaid-in-the-Rubberbandits-Horse-Outside-video/137385329648129?ref=ts ) This number of Facebook Fans puts her on par with many "notable" irish celebrities. For example, Bob Geldof has 6000 fans. See: http://ie.yoursocialmonitor.com/social-media-monitor-facebook-pages-fanpages/category.php?ids=90 Moreover, her name has only become publically known over the last 10 days. The sudden surge of interest in her helps illustrate how much interest there is in her within Ireland. This is ratified by statements made in various national publications. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.203.25 (talk) 13:27, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello and thanks for the links. I for one understand why in this point of history people might equate Facebook fandom with fame. However, what we are discussing here is an encyclopedia entry, not a popularity contest. So, there are different criteria which are applied here. Also, because this project broadly allows anonymous editing, "anyone can edit", due to vandalism and childishness there are legal problems that arise especially regarding biographies of living persons. The administrator who nominated the article for deletion has a strong background defending the project against these biographical legal issues. The Facebook page you link above was peppered with one-line "fan" comments like "your a daycent bure", "shed well get it .....", "Ill ride ya like a horse" and others less savory. My educated guess is the links to that page spread viral because of that type of quick teenage prurience and not necessarily because Madeline Mulqueen is a person who deserves an encyclopedia entry. There is no harm in taking a cautious approach to adding articles about persons who are suddenly popular, in fact it increases the prestige of the project to strictly limit such articles until they pass several tests. I don't really like sending you off to read some of Wikipedia's official thoughts about this, but in this area there is pretty strong support for a strict policy. See Alison's initial link, WP:BLP1E, which is the most obvious reason for deletion: MM is still only known for being a dancing bridesmaid in a single music video. Then take a look at WP:RECENT which talks about the transient nature of news versus the more enduring goals of an encyclopedia, and also WP:NOTFACEBOOK which as the abbreviated link suggests explains the difference between Wikipedia and blogs. I would stress that no one who has commented here expresses the thought the article should be deleted because Madeline Mulqueen is not currently a known entity. That is beside the point which is that she is only known for the Horse Outside event, and only recently, which fails as a qualification for an article. She would need a more significant career in modeling or acting than just what has happened this December. I hope that what I wrote here helps clarify why news and blog traffic do not equal encyclopedic notability. Sswonk (talk) 14:25, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete: She is not notable in her own right other than appearing in a nationally popular video. ww2censor (talk) 17:51, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
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