Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madison Eagles (5th nomination)


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The result was   keep. Snowball  → Call me  Hahc  21  16:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Madison Eagles
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Contested speedy due to substantive differences. Content may be different but notability issues remain per all the previous nominations. Coverage does not prove notability and has done nothing notable aside from maybe the SHIMMER title and notability is not inherited from that title. Number 1 in PWI yearly list has already been ruled in previous AfD's as not enough for notability, likely for the same reason. No evidence of substantive overseas work outside of SHIMMER (the odd match at other promotions are not enough). 124.180.170.151 (talk) 02:46, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I completed the nomination for the IP. ansh666 06:47, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's not be so hasty to press the delete button again. Have you even counted the number of secondary sources now? Plus, the article is currently being expanded. I want to see your evidence in previous AfDs that being ranked #1 by PWI is not notable / holding the SHIMMER title (for over 500 days and the second longest reign) is not notable.
 * Also, the first three deletions came in 2010 before Eagles was even three months into her reign as SHIMMER champion. Fourth deletion was probably because the article wasn't well sourced. starship.paint   "YES!" 09:33, 4 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - remember, she's female, and female wrestlers are way below male ones in the pecking order. That said, she qualifies for "major success in minor promotions". SHIMMER has been the top women's wrestling group since its inception a few years ago (from a 2013 article). Holding the top SHIMMER championship for 539 days, over a year and the second longest SHIMMER reign ever definitely qualifies for notability. Meanwhile, she was ranked the #1 female wrestler in the world by Pro Wrestling Illustrated, most likely the top magazine for pro wrestling that has been writing since 1979. The other reliable sources (SLAM! / PWTorch / Observer) have all referred to PWI. Being #1 is a serious accomplishment, as PWI ranks "in-universe", taking into account championships / wins / losses, meaning she was the most dominant female wrestler in the world in 2011, no matter what promotion. Success in America and Australia too. starship.paint  "YES!" 09:33, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * While notability is not inherited, I would like to make these facts known. Every other SHIMMER Champion has her own article. Every other PWI #1 has her own article. In fact, apparently every other person up to at least #10 has her own article. starship.paint  "YES!" 10:49, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I have expanded the article, particularly for her work in Shimmer and in other promotions in 2007-2011. Surely this is enough to prevent deletion. starship.paint  "YES!" 08:47, 5 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - Being the champion for well over a year in the top American women's promotion and ranked #1 by PWI makes her notable. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) (talk) 10:35, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - As one who has been expanding the article, I had no trouble finding online reports of her matches and reviews of DVDs in which she participated.  I am more used to sourcing music articles, and if this much was written about a musician who went on tour, performed hundreds of times in several countries and played on albums which were reviewed multiple times, or an actress who was a main character in a television series that went on for several seasons, there would be no question of notability.  Also, the #1 PWI listing appears to have been mentioned widely on other independent wrestling reports, which shows that the writers on those sites thought that it was important. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep A prolific title reign and a major PWI award are significant accomplishments and establish notability.LM2000 (talk) 15:05, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Not that familiar with her, but the name pops up a lot in histories of other notable women. It's notable collaboration, not just association. That, and the better reasons above, sway me. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:54, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Largely per arguments stated above by Starship Paint. And I dipped back into the history to see how the various other versions of the article looked when they got deleted. The article as it stands now is about the most complete and extensive version that's been created to date. Tabercil (talk) 23:31, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions, the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions and the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  starship.paint  "YES!" 04:01, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
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