Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madison Guthrie (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Miss Alabama USA. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 03:48, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Madison Guthrie
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Per WP:NOPAGE this college student should not have a separate article but rather her 15 minutes of fame is best noted at Miss Alabama USA where her name can be redirected after the article is deleted. Note I am not arguing no notability (though I think she has none, but rather that whatever notability this community college co-ed has is best handled in a list. Legacypac (talk) 09:35, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Alabama-related deletion discussions. GSS  (talk) 10:04, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. GSS  (talk) 10:06, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kharkiv07  ( T ) 00:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Incredibly prejudicial nomination with two personal attacks against the subject of the article and taking in the nominator's history against these articles, I suggest they stick to neutral policy in future noms rather than throwing ad hominems towards the subjects they're talking about (the "15 minutes of fame" line shouldn't ever be used in an AfD, for instance). I hate to use the 'you've been here long enough to know our policies' scold...but the nominator should at this point.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 02:43, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Artw (talk) 03:15, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the editor is unfamiliar with WP:15MOF as a policy which I was referring to. If you look at at the first Nom you will find about 15:4 went delete before what was a procedural close. Many similar articles about people that won one pageant and went back to school have been deleted or redirected after being nominated by myself or other editors, so please don't try to mislead other editors. Personal attacks against me are not appropriate and I trust that the closer will take the evident reason to vote keep being based on a desire to attack me into account when tabulating votes. Previous noms did not consider Wp:NOPAGE so please explain how the meager info in in the article would not be better presented on a table with other winners, and maybe a mini bio below the table if there is something else to say. Legacypac (talk) 07:32, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment There was no personal attack against you at all; going on my talk page and telling me I did so for simply stating that I disagree with your nomination rationale is not that by any means. I'm sorry, but on principle I do not support nominations that are based on denigrating article subjects than presenting policy (you cited one, then went on to the subject attack). That's my last word on this manner and I stand by my rationale completely.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 10:30, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I used policy in my nomination, but your vote cites no policy reason to contradict only saying you don't like I pointed out she is a otherwise low profile college student (not a model etc). I need to remind you again to focus on improving Wikipedia not voting no because of some perceived issue with another editor. My "history" includes successfully nominating for deletion many similar articles in the face of dedicated pageant hobbyists who ignore all Wikipedia policy in the quest to cover every bit of potential trivia on every girl to win a crown somewhere. Legacypac (talk) 10:41, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: It would be great to have more editors comment on the specific merits of keeping or deleting this article, rather than a general discourse about how similar AfDs are handled. Deryck C. 17:57, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 17:57, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It would be great indeed. Unfortunately, when dozens of similar articles are nominated simultaneously, editors grow weary, and feel the nominators are wasting their time to no real purpose.

*Weak Keep as there is a considerable volume of coverage in a variety of media outlets including print, television and digital. Suggesting direction of articles to lists based on NOPAGE while simultaneously suggesting redirection of the lists feels wrong.Jacona (talk) 23:17, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * to clarify, redirection of lists refers to many similar articles and lists recently nominated, not the list to which this article is being suggested as redirect, so far as I know. Jacona (talk) 23:19, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Don't confuse the effort to consolidate annual event articles with redirecting non-notable winners to lists. If an editor is tired of reviewing pageant articles, stop looking at the nominations. No one is required to look at anything here. Legacypac (talk) 07:42, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep She has won a reputed competition and a notable personality . Age is not a constrain. Always :) (talk) 19:44, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Miss Alabama USA; no notability outside of winning a state beauty pageant. OhNo itsJamie Talk 19:37, 25 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Miss Alabama USA, per WP:BLP1E. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:28, 29 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.