Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madison Ivy (3rd nomination)


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The result was delete. Yunshui 雲 水 14:14, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Madison Ivy
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A BLP that lacks sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail. Sigificant RS coverage not found. The article is cited to online directories, industry publicity materials, and other sources otherwise not suitable for notability. Does not meet WP:PORNBIO / WP:NACTOR. No significant awards or notable contributions to the genre. The award listed is scene related.

The first AfD closed as "no consensus" in 2010, the second one as "delete" in 2013. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:07, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete: Fails PORNBIO, nothing to see here but plastic, move on.  Nha Trang  Allons! 19:25, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Super strong delete This article shows everything that is wrong with Wikipedia. In the 2010 keep discussion people actually argued to keep based on sources that in the same breath they admitted were primary sources. If an article is being built on primary sources it is not follwing in the wake of reliable source coverage, but trying to forge it. I am not sure in what world of unrighted wrongs we would even want to force more coverage of pronographic performers. However, since righting wrongs is not the purpose of Wikipedia, we do not do it. Ivy fails any and all GNG tests. The sourcing on her is never reliable. I think it is high time we scapped the horrible pornographic notability guidelines and wrote some new ones that had a likely connection with coverage in reliable sources, as opposed to the promotional, spammy goobledy gook churned out by the pornography industry itself. True, the pornography articles have been regulated to the extent that the total number of articles in Category:American pornographic film actresses has actually gone down. I think it was once over 500, maybe even over 600, it is now below 400. Still, it is a huge category, and far bigger than is at all needed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:24, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment It is time that Wikipedia reigned in its unreasonable coverage of utter drek.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - I believe that 500 in a universe of 5 million articles is not a problem. I perceive a delecionism in articles related to pornography. But I agree with you that WP:PORNOBIO should be updated, maybe even deleted and WP:NACTOR changed to include pornstars. Awards can be partial, while criteria like popularity are not taken into account.Guilherme Burn (talk) 12:07, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. No eligible award wins to pass WP:PORNBIO. Lacks significant secondary source coverage to pass WP:BASIC/WP:GNG. • Gene93k (talk) 12:19, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as no evidence of notability, fails PORNBIO & GNG/ – Davey 2010 Talk 19:55, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not materially improved over the version deleted in 2013. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 18:33, 23 June 2018 (UTC)


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