Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madonna's 2012 World Tour


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The result was   keep.  Wifione  Message 05:07, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Madonna's 2012 World Tour

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Not notable, only dates are known. No official name, or anything else. — Status  &#x7B;talk contribs  23:17, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - based on the 114 million viewers who saw her live at the Superbowl XLVI halftime show last Sunday, that such a large tour is almost never cancelled, and that some important details are already in a verifiable source, Billboard. Bearian (talk) 16:58, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * How is that relevant to this article? She has tour dates announced, cool. They can easily be in the album article. There's no official name etc. for the tour yet. "Madonna's 2012 World Tour" is just a made up name the creator of the article decided on. — Status  &#x7B;talk contribs  23:48, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Bearian, you are basically using a crystal ball method here. This tour might be cancelled for all we know. Its the notability of the tour we are discussing, not the artist. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 06:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. Added a second cite, from MSN. Bearian (talk) 18:27, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * @Legolas: the tickets have gone on sale online, the posters for the concert at Yankee Stadium are aleady printed, and events are moving forward. Yes, the article is still a mess, but it's verified, and involves the most watched entertainer ever, so yes, it's notable. Bearian (talk) 01:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Can be recreated once tour gets underway and if it's determined that there's enough independent notability to warrant a spinoff article. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:51, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - definitely notable, all previous 8 world tours have an article, why would the current one be different? Snappy (talk) 20:53, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Take an actual look at the article, will ya? — Status  &#x7B;talk contribs  22:49, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes I already did that before I !voted here, thank you, and please tone it down. It is reasonably good, and will get better as more details are released about the tour. Snappy (talk) 19:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - Why? Two main reasons. First, the tour dates, by Wikipedia standards can't be on the main album or artist article. It's irrational, and the tour itself is a body of work. Second reason, also by the policies, verifiable sources exist related to the article, even Madonna herself talking about the upcoming tour. And also, as usually happens with every article on the English Wikipedia, more information will be put on the article whenever it is known. This is not an speculatoy article about a supposed tour that Madonna maybe will do, its about a confirmed world tour.--Hahc21 (talk) 00:45, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Confirmed tour that only has dates. Nothing else. They can easily be squeezed into the MDNA article until a NAME and more details of the tour are announced. — Status  &#x7B;talk contribs  03:42, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hahc21, I think you are forgetting the basis of WP:GNG. The article simply doesn't have anything else at the moment except a bunch of dates. No tour name, poster, background info, nothing. WP:WAX is really not a better argument but compare it to Lady Gaga's announced The Born This Way Ball Tour and see the difference. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 06:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect and Merge with MDNA for now. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 06:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - Could do with a few more references but no point deleting when it will be re-created, maybe for the meantime best to redirect to the page Legolas2186 suggested (who's probably more au fait concerning Madonna than me) Zarcadia (talk) 22:51, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete - I know that soon enough it will be article when there is details on the show, tickets sales, etc, but for now its just a press release and of itself of no notability. There are many events planned for the future that dont have articles yet, so that is not a reason to keep it. Needs more detail otherwise delete.JKW111 (talk) 01:12, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect and Merge. Based on Legolas' reasoning. We don't even have the verified name. We don't even have information other than dates... Put it back in the album article for now, and when we are 100% sure of basic information (like a name), add it back. <b style="color:blue;">|</b> <sup style="color:black;">help <sub style="margin-left:-3.8ex; color:black;">dןǝɥ  <b style="color:blue;">|</b> 01:58, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to MDNA or Madonna (entertainer). – I'm not quite confident that we should merge the tour dates because they seem a bit trivial without much additional info about the tour. We can restore the list once more info about the tour's background is found. Information will develop within the next few months, so a solid deletion is not necessary. Redirection will do. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:27, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. This tour is definetly relevant, and seeing as Lady Gaga's Born This Way Ball Tour and Jessie J's World tour contains exactly the same information, surely if this is deleted they should be too.Jagoperson (talk) 19:34, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - deleting it and recreating it when there is no real doubt is a waste of time. Pretending there is a reason to delete is offensive and Wikipedia should get rid of those types. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.124.166.102 (talk) 04:34, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep A concert tour by one of the most famous person on the planet. Are you seriously telling me that there is no coverage in the press at all to meet WP:GNG?  Lugnuts  (talk) 08:29, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * How long does this discussion stay open? It's been ages now, and of all the people arguing to keep, none have offered any new information to the article to demonstrate its notability - it's still just a list of dates copied straight from ticketing sites. Wikipedia is not an advertisement or news service. If there's nothing actually being written about the concert, other than there is one, then the outcome can only be delete. JKW111 (talk) 12:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep – needs to be expanded but there is not point in deleting as there is new information emerging on a daily basis.  2 0 1 2  Communicate|Nicely 21:22, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Such as? Additional dates do not make it more notable... If there is more info (see eg Born This Way Ball) then add it! JKW111 (talk) 00:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - the tour has a name - Madonna World Tour is the official name. Alecsdaniel (talk) 22:09, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - the article is indeed severely lacking, but I think given a little time a lot of sources and background info could be found. --Shadow (talk) 20:43, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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