Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magà Ettori


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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 01:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Magà Ettori

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Does not meet the WP:GNG the article in French for this Frenchman was deleted as he was not considered notable enough in 2013 and there seems to have been little or no change in his notability. | Article here Domdeparis (talk) 18:01, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:27, 15 November 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:07, 22 November 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. North America1000 11:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - he's actually Corsican, not French. He's received enough coverage for his films and his animal rights activism that I think he meets GNG., , , , , ,  —Мандичка YO 😜 21:54, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Of course he is French!!! Corsica is a French Island there is no such thing as the Corsican nationality. You could say he's from Corsica or he is Corsican but he is also French. Domdeparis (talk) 08:51, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * He's Corsican, similar to the way that Puerto Ricans are Puerto Ricans, even though they are also American citizens. I didn't say his passport was Corsican, I said HE is Corsican. He is not a Frenchman. You can't seriously argue that there is no such thing as Corsican people. I pointed this out because, being that he is Corsican, which has its own language, the fact that his article was deleted from the French-language Wikipedia is not relevant. He has achieved notability in Corsica as provided by the links above, in addition to the English-language magazine article. —Мандичка YO 😜 21:25, 1 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment I have dual nationality, French and British I have been living in France for 25 years i know what i am talking about. Of course he is a Frenchman i don't want to get into a sterile argument about Corsican independence and i never said that he wasn't Corsican but you cannot say that he isn't French, that is intellectually dishonest.  When Corsica gains independence and is no longer part of France you can say that they are no longer French but until then this is blatantly wrong. In the same way you cannot say that Sicilians are not Italians. Corsica is a French department and all Corsican are French whether they like it or not.  the situation Puerto Rico is totally different there are 2 citizenship Puerto Rican and American, Puerto Rico is a commonwealth but is not a US state. I suggest you read Puerto Rico and Corsica to get a better understanding of the differences. Domdeparis (talk) 09:26, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't say they were identical; I said they were similar. In English we would not refer to someone from Corsica (or someone who is Basque for example) as a Frenchman as this has ethnic connotations. The same way you have the terms Englishman, Scotsman or even Yorkshireman - adding the suffix -man applies ethnicity or locality, not citizenship or nationality. My point is that your argument about the article being deleted off the French wikipedia is totally irrelevant. I have provided sufficient coverage to show he meets WP:GNG. —Мандичка YO 😜 18:43, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not sure if English is your first language but the normal way to describe a man who has French nationality and is a citizen of France is as a Frenchman it has nothing to do with ethnicity it is a simple matter of semantics and nothing more. Someone from the USA is an American someone from Germany is a German someone from Great Britain is a Briton (he may also be a Scot) someone from Spain is a Spaniard and a chap from the Netherlands is a Dutchman it's just the idiosyncratic way that English works. You might like to read this Demonym it should help you understand.  Someone who holds an American passport is an American even if he describes himself as being a Hawaiian, I would say that Corsica is much much closer in status to Hawaii than Puerto Rica, you might want to compare the 2 to understand the similarities.  Domdeparis (talk) 14:46, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


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