Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maggia (comics)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Maggia (comics)

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This does not establish notability independent of Marvel Comics through the inclusion of real world information from reliable, third party sources. Most of the information is made up of plot details better suited to Wikia. There is no current assertion for future improvement of the article, so extended coverage is unnecessary. TTN (talk) 16:07, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:03, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:03, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep per WP:SK, "nominations which are so erroneous that they indicate that the nominator has not even read the article in question". The article explains the relationship of the Maggia to the real-world Mafia and this well-known euphemism is detailed in sources such as The Supervillain Book: the evil side of comics and Hollywood.  Warden (talk) 21:38, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * There's a speculative, joking forum post by someone who doesn't even appear to be related to the creation of the topic. I don't even think that is valid for inclusion in the first place. I doubt there is significant coverage in that book, so it is probably useless in providing consent for the article or establishing notability. TTN (talk) 21:49, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think you read the article because you just put up your standard cookie-cutter nomination. These nominations seem increasingly to be bad-faith and contrary to our deletion policy which requires due diligence so that our time not be wasted.  The nominator has been sanctioned before for such disruptive behaviour. Warden (talk) 22:03, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Correction- WP:BEFORE is not part of deletion policy, or any other policy for that matter. Colonel Warden knows this, and his continued misrepresentation of the discredited WP:BEFORE as mandatory policy is deliberately dishonest. Reyk  YO!  00:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You are certainly expected to read an article before you nominate it for deletion. We can see that this is policy because failure to do so is a reason to speedy keep.  Moreover this policy has teeth because TTN was previously sanctioned by arbcom for engaging in such disruptive behaviour.  The account has been quiescent for several years but now engages in the same pattern of cookie-cutter activity, without regard to the actual content. Warden (talk) 11:32, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep or merge to List of criminal organizations in Marvel Comics. BOZ (talk) 22:54, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge into List of criminal organizations in Marvel Comics. Not independently notable.  The two or three sourced statements can be merged into that article.  The rest of the article is just in-universe plot details more suited to Wikia. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:39, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep notable more than 150 comic books, Maggia appears also in television shows and video games. I agree the article needs improvement but reviews and interviews are available to help with "additional citations for verification" and I agree with Warden. --Crazy runner (talk) 16:07, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep: Let this page stay. Like the other keeps, the Maggia is a popular organized crime group that has more than 150 appearances. Rtkat3 (talk) 9:20, December 2 2013 (UTC)
 * The duration or quantity of its appearances don't really help anything unless there are sourced development and reception details on it. TTN (talk) 03:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.