Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magic Management


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The article underwent editing during the course of the discussion. The sense of the discussion overall was to keep the article, and this was particularly true of those who opined on the later versions of the article. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  00:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Magic Management

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Notability. Certainly there are a lot of cites, but they are mainly from Billboard. Since clicking the link gives you the whole of the appropriate issue & there is no indication of a page number actually finding what has been said is difficuly: in the couple I looked at I coulnt not find anything and my bet is that it is all run of the mil coverage. TheLongTone (talk) 13:54, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music, Companies,  and Canada. Shellwood (talk) 14:17, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete likely a promotional article to boost GSearch ratings, who knows, if they're even still active... No sources, GNG not met. Oaktree b (talk) 15:43, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment and Reply to both TheLongTone  and Oaktree b, .. .. .. .. OK, reply to TheLongTone  first. Well, first of all, a music management company is most likely going to have a good deal of info about in in music trade magazines. Now, there are more cites than just Billboard. There's RPM Weekly and there's some that I have seen in Record World. I'm not sure what you are talking about there being no indication of a page number. Take the reference: RPM Weekly, Volume 19 No. 25, August 4, 1973 - Page 2 MAGIC MANAGEMENT LAUNCHES PR PUSH. I have highlighted the page number for that article. Now take this reference: Billboard, June 22, 1974 - Page 52 Canadian News, Magic Puts It All Together Under 1 Roof. I have highlighted the page number there. And the full-page article about their subsidiary, Slic-Bros: RPM Weekly, Volume 25 No. 12 - June 19, 1976 - Page 14 Slic Brothers, Designers to the Canadian music industry. I have highlighted the page number there. The page numbers are on the references and the page numbers can be seen on the scans of the magazines. I don't think that there are, but if any of the other cites that come from the Internet Archive, you can see the page number there and look at the page for the relevant content. Failing that, there's a search thing that looks like a magnifying glass. That can be utilized there. Ah, OK, here's one. The Cash Box ref. OK. Cash Box, February 3, 1973 - Page 45 Truck Stops P.A.'s For Sessions. With that one, yes, it does bring up the whole magazine. All you have to do is press, Control+F,  press Enter and then the Box comes up. Just type in "Magic Management" and then press the downward arrow and you'll see the article plus the page number. Now Oaktree b, I can't see how with any kind of interpretation you would think that I'm "creating a promotional article to boost GSearch ratings". And then you say, " who knows, if they're even still active." Well I doubt if they are active so why would I create something like this just do do that. It wouldn't make sense! I would be willing to bet too that Peter Francey would be well into his seventies or pushing eighty and more than likely has retired! Then you say "No sources". Well there are!! Look, if I was guilty of anything it would be just furthering my current exploratory interest in Canadian rock and jazz-rock music of the 1960s and 1970s and desire to improve and expand etc.. And by editing and creating articles I learn a bit as well as take care of something that I have noticed in the last few months. And that is ....  Canadian music, Canadian bands are very neglected on Wikipedia. I was surprised at how neglected they were! What partly sparked me off was the Dianne Brooks article. Even though she was born in the US, she had made such a contribution to Canadian music that she should have been given a medal. I knew of her but had no idea of the extent she was involved and the massive contribution she made. Karl Twist (talk) 11:36, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - An integral part of Canadian music history. During the 1970s, they managed acts such as Jeff Addams, Terry Dee, The Good Bros., Hit & Run (English group in Toronto) Christopher Kearney, Touchstone (Feat. Lisa Hart) Truck, Jay Telfer, West (a group that had prominent lawyer Paul Sanderson as a member) and others. Their subsidiary, Slic Brothers designed the covers for artists Peter Foldy, The Greaseball Boogie Band, Moe Koffman, The Stampeders and Jay Telfer. See: Billboard, June 22, 1974 - Page 52 Canadian News, Magic Puts It All Together Under 1 Roof. I have seen Slic's work in rock music mags etc and they were prominent in the business. Please go and compare this company to other Canadian music management companies. I'm too tired to add more as I want to finish off editing some other stuff. Karl Twist (talk) 12:46, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 23 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:11, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Further comment and Notice to closing admin, I'll just post this and leave at this. There are several levels of this organization. Their subsidiary Slic Brothers had 3 Juno Award nominations in 1975. See RPM Weekly, Volume 25 No. 12 - June 19, 1976 - Page 14 Slic Brothers. I have posted what the article looked like just prior to the AFD nomination in the Talk section so that if anyone wants to examine it they can see that the refs do show page numbers etc. see here Also I'll be surprised if this is deleted but if it is, could the closing admin please consider re-directing the page (thus preserving the history) to one of the agencies acts. Perhaps Christopher Kearney as they had a lot to do with this artist. Or maybe to Peter Francey. Thankyou. Karl Twist (talk) 11:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep There are at least three sources that deals with the company itself (two on Magic Management, one on its subsidiary Slic Brothers) given in the article with a few other shorter ones, and there are others in relation to their artists and activities. Once there are actually articles about the company, then accusation of WP:REFBOMBing would be inappropriate, since all information need to be sourced (some of them are duplicates, I've tidied them up). A few of the sources could be better, then a tag requesting better source would be appropriate. As it is, it should pass WP:GNG. Hzh (talk) 11:20, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV per Hzh.4meter4 (talk) 18:05, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.