Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magic Sam (cocktail)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 18:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Magic Sam (cocktail)

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Non-notable drink invented by an Italian bartender named Sam and served solely by that bartender in a small cafe in Bologna. The references provided are a travel blog and an advert for the cafe. Pichpich (talk) 14:31, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

As I have previously mentioned, I visited this cafe as I saw it on a travel show in Japan. It was broadcasted on NHK. As a result, when visiting Bologna I visited this bar (as have many others I assume).

My references may not be excellent (as are many), but I listed the ones that gave the most information on the drink. If you can read Italian or German I can provide some more. I could even email you the show as I have it somewhere, if you can understand Japanese that is.

I believe that such a drink that was advertised on a national network (also in over 100 other countries from an article that I just read) is of notoriety.

The fact that it is only served in one location is irrelevant. From my research it seems to be highly respected by travelers, hence the reviews. Just because an editor on Wikipedia (who seems to be of low social exposure) decides an article is not relevant to him, does not speak for the entire internet community. Bobbybobbie (talk) 14:48, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

I have nothing further to add to this discussion, regardless of the outcome. I do however believe that an internal audit needs to be conducted, regarding the suitability of editors. Bobbybobbie (talk) 14:51, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 15:29, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 15:30, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Bobbie, please remember the principle of WP:CIVIL and assume good faith on behalf of the nominating editor, so please don't attack him. The sources on the article so far aren't enough to show notability and you need to show more. Saying that sources exist somewhere out in the world isn't enough. You have to source them in the article and even then you have to make sure that they're considered WP:RS per Wikipedia's guidelines. The first source you have listed is a blog entry. Blog entries generally aren't usable as sources unless they're by someone who is considered to be such an authoritative source that they're pretty much the type of person that magazines, books, and news sources quote. Most blogs aren't considered usable per this reason, regardless of how well the blog is laid out, how long it's been running, or how knowledgeable the blogger is. The second source is a city guide that's pretty much nothing but an ad for the store. That's far from being a reliable and independent source and would be seen as a primary source since I'd imagine that since it's pretty much an ad, the store itself paid for placement. Even if it wasn't paid for by the store, it's not something that would show notability for the drink. I'll see what I can find, but remember- you've got to show sources that are considered to be reliable per Wikipedia's strict guidelines.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 15:45, 30 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Tokyogirl, I understand where you are coming from. I was more so surprised by the unprofessionalism that was shown by the editor. If the article is not deemed suitable for Wikipedia I respect that decision. An articulate person such as yourself receives nothing but respect. I do applaud  your initiative in looking for such sources (in English) on your own accord, without prematurely dismissing the article. I thank you for your input, it is greatly appreciated. Bobbybobbie (talk) 15:58, 30 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. The sources are poor. If this drink indeed is only served in one location I don't think it can have any claim to being of international importance. Even if it featured in TV programme, I think it's important to exercise a bit of common sense here. The content could be included in a parent article about the bar or barman in question, but it doesn't warrant an article of its own. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 16:22, 30 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Basa, based upon your opinion, the Great Wall of China is only in China, therefore it must not be notable. I do apologize to all for the lack of referencing.Bobbybobbie (talk) 16:43, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Though I searched diligently, I couldn't find sources other than the blogs, not even a newspaper article on either the drink, the bartender or the bar. Even Highbeam searches didn't result in finding any reliable sources. Alas for Bobbybobbie's fine effort, not everything is necessarily belongs in an encyclopedia. Geoff  Who, me?  17:56, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
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