Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magnus Blaze


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The result was Delete -- JForget 00:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Magnus Blaze

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Non-notable, fails WP:BAND. Closest to a claim of notierity the article gives is that they came in second in a contest to find the best unsigned band in Europe. Redfarmer (talk) 13:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think there's a bit of concern here with self-promotion, too, due to the first username that created the article. Redfarmer (talk) 13:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The user who created the article originally was named User:Magnus Blaze (rock band) and has since been banned for blatent advertising. Redfarmer (talk) 16:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * User has now edited article to assert that their first album was a commercial success but I can find no mention of the band on AllMusicGuide.com or UBL.com. Redfarmer (talk) 14:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * i don't understand!!! all the information on the 'Magnus Blaze' page is TRUE! the band DID come second in the Kerrang Finals...this is not self-promotion! MySpace is used for all promotion! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.101.38 (talk) 14:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If you read the nomination, the concern isn't whether the information is true or not; it's whether the band is notable enough. Almost all Ghits for the band I checked out were networking sites or places to buy music, which does not constitute notoriaty. Redfarmer (talk) 14:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As a follow up, look at this link: WP:MUSIC. If the band meets any one of those criteria, you will have an excellent argument that the band is notable enough for its own article. Otherwise, you tend to have the article nominated for deletion, as happened in this case. Xymmax (talk) 14:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - As of this moment I can not find anything to show the band meets the music notability standards. If any is provided, I'll happily switch my comment. Xymmax (talk) 14:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete there are no sources that I can find that would make this band notable. I would be willing to change my opinion if any sources could be provided (that meet WP:V standards). TonyBallioni (talk) 14:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure the band meets the following criteria;

9 Has won or placed in a major music competition. - Kerrang and Bodog Music —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.101.38 (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I went to Kerrang's web site and could find no mention of the band anywhere on a search, or even a category for their awards called "Best unsigned band." Can you provide a reference from a verifiable source? Redfarmer (talk) 16:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, that's a start. Can you help us with a link to the competitions so that we can judge whether they're major? Are they national competitions? Also, we will need a reliable source that shows how the band placed in the competiton - I'm afraid that first-hand information is not considered to be reliable. Also, if you want sign your posts (so that we at least can see the time you posted, which helps make sense of the comments) type ~ . Thanks. Xymmax (talk) 16:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:BAND and WP:MUSIC until WP:RS's can be found to prove otherwise. Scarian Call me Pat  17:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

As Kerrang occured three years ago, i wouldn't expect any information on the Kerrang finals, due to the website being updated. However, Magnus Blaze are placed in a current, major, national competion hosted by Bodog Music, called, the Bodog Battle. Here is a link to the website, for evidence of this comp and the band...hope this helps. 17.16 2 Jan 08

http://battle.bodoglife.eu/home/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.101.38 (talk) 17:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm maintaining my nomination. Just being in this contest does not make the band notable. If they were to win or possibly place, that may make them notable. I still want to see verifiable proof on this Kerrang contest if I'm to take it as notability. Redfarmer (talk) 17:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't blame you. The band is close, but I don't see the sources needed. I'm convinced that they were indeed finalist in the Kerrang competition. I found a few Google hits for it under the name "Snickers Unsigned" as Snickers was the corporate sponsor. The website is gone, but partial mirror at archive.org here shows that at one point it did have Magnus Blaze as one its three finalists. Still, I don't think that's a reliable source. Were there any articles in local newspapers about the band's success? That's the true hallmark of the kind of notability that would support an article. Xymmax (talk) 17:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, plus the Bodog contest doesn't seem to have taken place yet. If they win that and their victory gets reported by a reliable source then there would be a good case for an article, I guess. --AndrewHowse (talk) 17:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The Bodog Battle IS currently being held. Once again, i DO believe the band meets the following criteria;

9 Has won or placed in a major music competition this site clearly proves this!!!! click here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.101.38 (talk) 18:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If it's currently being held, though, they haven't placed yet in it. Redfarmer (talk) 18:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. They don't quite meet WP:MUSIC yet it seems.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 02:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The article should stay, it is clear that at least one of the criteria's where met. 10.49, 3 January 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.101.38 (talk) 10:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I'd be inclined to agree with you if there were any reliable sources about this contest at all. I don't consider the archived mirror of the website to be a reliable source because there's no way to tell if the content of the original website was later changed, or if information was missed, or to get the full context of the information. Don't get me wrong, as I stated, I believe that the band made the finals. However, without reliable sources what I beleive isn't important. If kerrang! or snickers.co.uk maintained a winner's list, or if the results had been published in paper or other reliable source, I would argue for a keep. I also would like to see more about the contest itself. You may have noticed that our guidelines don't define "major competition."  I'm inclined to think that the Snickers competition qualifies on that score, since it appears to have had at least 2000 entrants, but others may disagree.  In the end, the burden is on the article to show notability, and judging from the comments so far, it isn't quite there yet. Xymmax (talk) 14:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

i have several articles from local newspapers and the article from KERRANG MAG - ISSUE 1053 APRIL 23 2005 - £1.99 - about the band's success at the Kerrang finals. The band also recieved brief television/press coverage. I have a video file showing the final!!!! How do i go about sending the information to you, Redfarmer ?????????? 13.15, 3 8 January 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.36.41 (talk) 13:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
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