Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mahdi Fakhimi


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The result was no consensus. J04n(talk page) 13:03, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Mahdi Fakhimi

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Essentially a promotion piece/CV for a non-notable person. All sources are primary, and there is nothing in the article that indicates notability - the "honors and awards" are all minor awards or else second/third places in competitions. There is a clear COI issue here as well: User:Mohammad Mahdi Fakhimi asked about this article at the Teahouse, and when informed that he shouldn't create an autobio, an identical draft was created on the following day and then moved to mainspace by a new SPA (who refused to respond to a question about any connection to the first user). The lack of notability is the primary reason the article should be deleted, but the COI/possible undisclosed paid editing issue is serious enough. As the article creator has insisted on moving it back into mainspace when it was draftified, there is no reason to return it to draftspace. bonadea contributions talk 13:12, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 13:29, 4 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi guys these are my defenses

Answer: I decided to wrote a biography as my first article. At first I think that my profile name and article name should be the same on wiki so I created my first profile as the same name of my future article; after that I realized that I could write so many articles with one profile, so I asked to delete that profile User:Mohammad Mahdi Fakhimi and created new profile with my own name User:Zara st and didn’t do anything with that old profile any more (I had no activity).
 * There is a clear COI issue:

Answer: He had won 9 competitions in different years and wining them is not that easy! He had won the first place on one national and one international competition and he was selected as the architect of the year.
 * The lack of notability is the primary reason:

Last words: Mahdi Fakhimi used fusion for the first time in architecture in Iran. He had many professional Tv programs. He could be a reference for young architects. most of my sources are in Persian and I search more to find English or translated ones, I do my best to be more better and official on citing them.Zara st (talk) 07:56, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Please provide some information and secondary sources about those nine competitions he won. Currently there are two such mentions in the article, neither one with a source, and one Architect of the year title, also unsourced. The other entries in "awards and honors" are second or third places or honorable mentions. Also note that winning a competition or getting an award does not automatically make a person notable, it depends on what the competition or award is. Again, secondary sources are essential. Sources do not have to be in English, but it's important that they are cited in a way that makes it possible for the reader to understand what they are, so a generic title like "see the book" doesn't work. (I've edited the references in the article to add a minimum of necessary info to them.) --bonadea contributions talk 09:38, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment A number of sources have been added but nothing that really addresses the notability issue discussied above - promotional text from an an organisation about the award they give out is not a claim to notability (and if the article stays all that fluff has to be removed), and most of the sources are still primary. In addition, the COI has been confirmed at Commons, . Again, a COI issue is in itself not a reason to delete the article but the text above looks remarkably like a denial that the COI exists. --bonadea contributions talk 16:54, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


 * All of news references was cited from most official and important Iranian news agencies so they shows the notability of the news.. one event covered in many news agencies it shows notability again. According to WP:ANYBIO Mahdi Fkahimi has all of three terms of Additional criteria: 1-he has received many international awards. 2-he has described fusion architectural style on many episodes of Iran National TV's Educational channel. Even his first book is teaching on universities. 3-he has listed as the top designers in Iran. this article is not complete, but it will be better through the time, I wanna talk more about his style; and there is nothing wrong with the picture that mentions above.. I have the permission of the owner.I just wait for the voting on this article.


 * "Many international awards" are not mentioned in the article. There are two awards that he has won, according to the sources, and neither the "Architizer A+ Awards" nor the "Architecture and Urban Design Municipal Competition" appears to be a notable award per Wikipedia's definition of notability. That the Architizer A+ people themselves describe their award in glowing terms doesn't make it notable (and again, that verbiage will have to be removed if the article is kept). worlddesignrankings.com is not a reliable source - they are connected to the A' Design Award, which according tho their own information is a PR/publicity tool. Wikipedia requires secondary sources, not awards, rankings or sources that the subject has paid for themselves. As for the picture, nobody has commented on that on this page (it has been deleted as a copyright violation at Commons but that is irrelevant in this discussion) but once again, please declare your conflict of interest. --bonadea contributions talk 17:07, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * All of architectural competitions are signed in by paying.They are not free, And yes designers themselves describing their design because for submitting on the competition, designer should answers many questions (u can read those when that project wins) to declare notability for the competition. Jury evaluate the submitted entries then confirm or reject them on the first place(like A'Design & Architizer). So if u pay or write urself for awards it doesn't change competitions value. also Rankings are collected in different orgs, 173 Leading Designers, Prominent Academics and Influential Press Members Formed worlddesignrankings. How could we say it is not reliable? and i cant find any thing about being PR/publicity tool. Zara st (talk) 07:40, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Let me point you to the exact place where it claims to be a PR tool: "The A'Design Award and Competition is for designers, innovators and companies that want to highlight themselves to attract the attention of media, publishers and buyers.". As for the WDR design rankings: "WDR Iran Design Rankings lists all designers from Iran based on the number of awards won at the International A' Design Award.", so not at all independent. All part of the same publicity machine. --bonadea contributions talk 10:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –&#8239;Joe (talk) 09:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete no evidence of wider recognition by any sources that are not specialist architecture awards and publications. I will ignore the glaringly obvious COI and look at the article objectively. He has published three books, with medium success, but none of those books are notable and there is no wider coverage of the subject resulting, therefore WP:AUTHOR is not met. He writes for architecture quarterly publications, but this has not generated any secondary coverage either. He has been given some awards, such as the A' Design Award, however the awards are not notable (no article and no coverage which could be used to make one). Being given a non-notable award generally does not confer notability for the purposes of WP:CREATIVE. This means the subject must meet WP:GNG/WP:ANYBIO, which it does not, as the sources are predominantly irrelevant for notability due to being primary sources, unreliable sources, or simply not about the subject. The limited news coverage which is usable, is insufficient to show notability, being very limited coverage of the subject. Prince of Thieves (talk) 11:27, 12 March 2018 (UTC) — Striking per WP: SOCKSTRIKE. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:09, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:10, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as per nominator.  FITINDIA   02:06, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 14:45, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Passes WP:GNG. The article still needs a lot of work though, including removing promotional language. — python coder   (talk &#124; contribs) 23:02, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * How does he meet GNG? Which of the sources constitute WP:SIGCOV? --bonadea contributions talk 05:40, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


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