Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maher Zain (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. Most people seem to believe the subject (if maybe barely) meets our notability standard.  Sandstein  06:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Maher Zain
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this artist fails WP:MUSICBIO and also WP:GNG Mo ainm  ~Talk  19:59, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — Mo ainm  ~Talk  20:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  — Mo ainm  ~Talk  20:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - If he won "Best Religious Song for 2009 from Nujoom FM (Egypt’s biggest music radion station)" this might help with notability, but we'll need something other than a blog post for confirmation. The same could be said for a couple of other claims in the article too. Also, I suggest that the nominator add more detail to the nomination. See WP:JNN. -- D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 21:40, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep the two articles I provided in the last afd scrapes into WP:GNG duffbeerforme (talk) 03:08, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This article fails WP:MUSICBIO because 1 Maher hasn't been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician, 2 he hasn't had a single or album on any country's national music chart, 3 hasn't had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country, 4 hasn't received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country, 5 hasn't released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels, 6 isn't part of an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles, 7 hasn't become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city, 8 Hasn't won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award, 9 hasn't won or placed in a major music competition, 10 hasn't performed music for a work of media that is notable, 11 hasn't been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network, 12 hasn't been the subject of a half-hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network. Now do you need me to list how he fails GNG also? Mo ainm  ~Talk  12:06, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, that was the only one I said he passed. duffbeerforme (talk) 09:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Gets trivial passing mention in sources listed in regard to his apperance at a free concert so fails criteria 1 in wp:musicbio along with the other criteria listed above also per our general notabiliy guidelines. VirtualRevolution (talk) 08:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This article is mainly about him and his concert and is 844 words long. The article says it was sold out, doesn't say it was free. It also includes the quote "Critics have described his debut album Thank You Allah as "an instant classic of great power and timeless, unassailably intense spirituality."" suggesting more coverage.
 * This article is about a separate (and free) concert has a 170 word section on Zain's life/career, more than a trivial passing mention, some would call significant coverage about him.
 * We have articles from Egypt and Bahrain covering a Swedish artist. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This article is about a separate (and free) concert has a 170 word section on Zain's life/career, more than a trivial passing mention, some would call significant coverage about him.
 * We have articles from Egypt and Bahrain covering a Swedish artist. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak keep per Duffbeer's explanation of sources. On the fence but it seems to barely pass. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 19:36, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Seems to (barely) pass WP:N based on Duffbeer's sources. Rlendog (talk) 01:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - The two sources alone I don't think get it over WP:GNG/WP:BIO if they were all there is. But since one of the sources notes there are other sources (the quoted review), that fact to my mind barely crosses the threshold. I would suggest this is the very minimum to qualify; anything less, and I would !vote delete. I also note that the first discussion closed as no consensus just two days before this AfD was started. Normally more time should pass before an AfD is reconsidered. (Deletion_policy (Renominations)) Novaseminary (talk) 04:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
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