Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mahnama Sultan ul Faqr Lahore


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The only keep arguments are based on WP:TOOSOON and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Randykitty (talk) 09:17, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Mahnama Sultan ul Faqr Lahore

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Non-notable magazine. Didn't find any useful sources. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 15:46, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - a google news search returned zero results. And a websearch only returned primary sources. Clearly does not meet either WP:GNG or WP:NCORP.  Onel 5969  TT me 16:26, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. North America1000 16:59, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. North America1000 16:59, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. North America1000 16:59, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Perhaps re-read WP:NCORP. It is non-commercial organization which as the scope of its activities is both national and international. It is magazine which is a stub and of course requires improvement but this does not qualify the article to get deleted. A journal or a magazine is less expected to be talked about in another published source especially when it has it's own publisher. Hence, it is a stand alone article
 * These are commercial but still intact as listed by Wikipedia’s List of magazines in Lahore Pakistan/Urdu language:


 * Family Magazine–2 liner article. No content. No third-party sources


 * Humshehri –Hardly one complete sentence. No content. No third-party sources


 * Nida-i-Millat -No third-party sources


 * Urdu Digest –No third-party sources


 * Monthly Aanchal –Fails quality standards(not written as an encyclopedic content).No third-party sources


 * Check Talk:Mahnama Sultan ul Faqr Lahore
 * Talk Jeraphine Gryphon


 * Markangle11 (talk) 23:58, 7 August 2015 (UTC) User:Markangle11 is the creator of this article. Disclosure added per WP:AFDFORMAT.


 * Response: Not sure what you're referring to . I think you may be talk about the WP:NONPROFIT section of WP:NCORP, since you reference "It is non-commercial organization which as the scope of its activities is both national and international," and that guideline mentions that "The scope of their activities is national or international in scale." However, that same guideline clearly states, "Organizations are usually notable if they meet both of the following standards:", and then goes on to list the rationale you used, and the second criteria, "The organization has received significant coverage in multiple[1] reliable sources that are independent of the organization." This organization clearly does not cross the threshold of that second criteria, and so, even by your referent, fails notability. Regarding your other listed magazines, this is clearly an example of other stuff exists.  Onel 5969  TT me 00:21, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Response: I have only mentioned the other articles to bring to notice that only the article I created was put to deletion whereas there are other popular magazines that have articles but magazine articles from Pakistan hardly have more sources. However, Mahnama Sultan ul Faqr Lahore has listed a few references and they are sufficient for the article to exist.Markangle11 (talk) 15:07, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Google search on the web shows a list of references about Mahnama Sultan ul Faqr Pubications: Markangle11 (talk) 16:26, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


 * KeepCheck WP:N(E). The stub article may require additional time for events to take place to allow third-party sources. But it is still an informational article. I recommend to keep it. Demington (talk) 13:50, 8 August 2015 (UTC) — Demington (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * That actually seems like an argument to delete per WP:TOOSOON.  Onel 5969  TT me 15:36, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If you really want to give a label, WP:WORKINPROGRESS would be more suitable here.Markangle11 (talk) 06:48, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Mahnama Sultan ul Faqr Lahore does not allow advertisements in its magazine nor does it advertise itself as it is non-commercial. It is dependent upon funds and contributions which is which is why it should not be expected that it would have media news. The magazine is available for online readers who can also download it for free. Hence,if significant coverage in independent sources cannot be found for a topic, deletion due to lack of notability is inappropriate.
 * Both the editors belong to remote countries from Pakistan User:Jeraphine Gryphon (Estonia) and User:Onel5969 (New York) but the article belongs to the Portal:Pakistan and the editors unfortunately are ill-informed about the notability of this magazine and other magazines in Pakistan simply because it does not advertise.Markangle11 (talk) 16:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Response - a [google search] produced what appears to be enough substantial coverage to warrant passing WP:GNG, such as this, this, and to a lesser extent this. I believe it does go to the notability of the magazine. Demington (talk) 10:06, 14 August 2015 (UTC) — Demington (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * A topic having results on Google isn't the same as "substantial coverage in reliable sources"; I'm mostly just seeing blog posts and other unusable sites there. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 10:21, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. Does not meet WP:GNG as it has not "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". The 2 references that are presently cited in the article cannot be used for notability being a site linking to various issues of the magazine and a link to the company's website that publishes the magazine. (from another "remote country" editor) Coolabahapple (talk) 17:37, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


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