Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MailList Controller


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was '''Delete. Fram (talk) 12:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

MailList Controller

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 * Delete as it fails at WP:NOTE. Moreover, it seems that it is a clear case of violation WP:OR. --  Niaz  (Talk •  Contribs)  14:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think its a clear case. I think the category is the right place for it. Please don't see this as offend: Arguments_to_avoid_in_deletion_discussions MM1973 (talk)


 * Delete - more per WP:CORP, a commercial software product that makes no case for notability or even for significant difference from similar packages. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * How do you know? Have you tested it and are you familiar with this software? MM1973 (talk)
 * Comment: I read the article. What it said when I wrote this response was, MailList Controller sends personalized email messages to a group of recipients and includes functions for subscription management. It works like an ordinary mail client and requires a legimate email account to send newsletters to subscribers.  This has no third party references to show notability, and doesn't say that it does anything you wouldn't expect an email list manager to do. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 19:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply: I guess "it does not more than you expect" (based on the description) would match all software products listed here. I tried to write the article from a neutral point of view. Articles in Category:Windows_software are more like a listing. Should I add links to third party software sites as reference? e.g. c|net download.com. Btw. I am bit shocked about your response and the whole discussion. After I reviewed the other articles in this category I thought that my article is not be so bad that it would require deletion. MM1973 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 20:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason for this discussion is the notability of the software, not the way it was written. And you are free to nominate other articles you feel do not meet those criteria. Good sources to list are independent, reliable sources, that are not listings. So C|net editorial review would be a good source, but the description on C|net wouldn't be, as it is not independent. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply Type in MailList Controller in the google search and you'll get 100.000 hits ... Should I move it to the stubs, so that I can improve it later - maybe this would be a good solution at this point? I think there is no reason to delete the article completely.
 * It is not uncommon for software solutions to have large numbers of ghits, yet some might see it as a indication of notability in itself. To be comepltely sure, just fish out some of the aforementioned independent reliable sources. I didn't find any proper sources in the first three pages, but there are plenty of results to look into. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply: I found it in the top 25 most popular Email downloads on download.com. At position 12, listed in the top25 downloads for 27 weeks. Source: http://www.download.com/3101-2158-0-1.html?tag=pop.software MM1973 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 21:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply: Thank you Ihcoyc, I will rewrite this part. MM1973 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 21:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete failing WP:N. I had already prodded the article, should I see this AfD as a rejection of the prod? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 14:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Why should the article been deleted? I just checked the windows software category and found many other programs, some of them are totally unknown such as FileMatrix or Metapad or MailJet. This is the first article I contributed to Wiki and I thought this article has much more notability as some others. MM1970 —Preceding unsigned comment added by MM1973 (talk • contribs) 15:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * First off, thank you for taking time contributing to wikipedia. I don't think that this software meets the guidelines in WP:N. As you just indicated, there may be many other articles that don't meet this guideline. That doesn't mean that this article should be kept, but rather that we should take a good look at those other articles, and see if they do meet the criteria. WP:OSE is clearer on it than I am. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't want to offend, but I don't share your opinion. I am new to wiki and I saw that I should remove the prod tag, if I disagree with the proposed deletion. Is that the correct way? or should I add the under construction tag and try to improve the article? MM1973 —Preceding comment was added at 15:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There are actualy 2 things happening simultanious here. There is a PROD tag, which you can remove. And there is this deletion discussion, which you can't remove. You are free to remove the prod tag, but not the AfD tag. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 15:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.