Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maine Teen Camp


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. J04n(talk page) 18:40, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Maine Teen Camp

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

Article is about a summer camp with no established notability under WP:N nor under criteria WP:ORG. The article exists primarily as an advert to promote the summer camp. The majority of the sources used are primary sources; the only secondary sources are an online obituary for a prior owner, a multi-camp directory listing, and the remaining references support that Zack Weinstein was a counselor at the camp, but only mentions the camp in passing as the articles are about Zack. - Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  czar   &middot;   &middot;  17:29, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Maine-related deletion discussions.  czar   &middot;   &middot;  17:30, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I have added citations from secondary sources, hopefully showing its status as noteworthy.Binky3000 (talk) 18:37, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Which ones would those be? Eeekster (talk) 22:13, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I have removed all primary sources, leaving only secondary sources.Binky3000 (talk) 22:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, the primary sources were removed; but the new sources are only a personal wedding blog, a dog-travel news story with a trivial mention, and a news story about the "Curtain Bluff Hotel Tennis Academy for youngsters" with a mention that six players will be attending Maine Teen Camp. None of these are providing the significant depth coverage needed to meet Wikipedias notability guidelines linked in the AfD nomination above. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:44, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete — doesn't appear to be notable and as written leans too far to the promotional side. Eeekster (talk) 22:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep — I have edited the article to remove promotional leanings. The article is just as notable as any of the other camps in the Summer camps in the U.S. state of Maine category and has been rejected for an AfD nomination on a previous occasion. Binky3000 (talk) 11:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The argument that Other Stuff Exists is not a generally accepted argument for keeping (or deleting). What matters is if the article meets the notability criteria defined within Wikipedia for organizations at WP:ORG (or the general notability guideline at WP:N).  Also, I cannot locate anywhere that a prior AfD existed for Maine Teen Camp - can you provide a link as you seem to believe the article survived a prior AfD? While a prior AfD would not result in this one being closed, it would be a good reference for those commenting here to have full visibility to any prior discussions and reasonings on both sides. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:35, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The beginning of the article has the text "The nomination page for this article already existed when this tag was added. If this was because the article had been nominated for deletion before, and you wish to renominate it, please replace "page=Maine Teen Camp" with "page=Maine Teen Camp (2nd nomination)" below before proceeding with the nomination." Leading me to believe it was submitted on a previous occasion. Would you be able to tell me what exactly you are looking for in regards to WP:N)?
 * I feel like it's inclusion on the ACA website, the national accreditation site for American Summer Camps, makes it notable as a camp. According to the Other Stuff Exists there is a precedent set for the inclusion of all high school on Wikipedia under the good faith they are all notable. Could the same not be said of Summer Camps, as they are both educational facilities?Binky3000 (talk) 10:39, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. It's just confusion from the timing. I saved the creation of this page prior to saving the addition of the AfD tag on the article, so that's why it saw this page already existed - so no prior AfD.
 * For the notability guideline, details of how to establish an organization as notable can be found in the section WP:ORG, while details for meeting the general guideline can be found at WP:N. In both cases, at a basic level, they require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.  For clarification on what qualifies as a reliable source on Wikipedia, see WP:RS.
 * Regarding high schools, that's a very specific and targeted exemption (which occasionally gets disputed itself, but has thus far held), it is not applied to all schools - for example, schools below high school do not receive that same exemption. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:18, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have added a citation nameing Maine Teen Camp one of "The Best Camps" by Boston Magazine. Although the article is about other camps also, there is a section specifically about Maine Teen Camp and the details of it's summer sessions which I believe coincides with the guidelines on notability.Binky3000 (talk) 12:17, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Not a notable topic. If notability was established, it would still be in desperate need of rewrite for encyclopedic tone and trimming of the indiscriminate trivia. These aren't criticisms of the camp, just a comparison between the article and wikipedia's policies.1292simon (talk) 13:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.