Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maixent Poitevin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. The issue of the article being unsourced has been addressed. Sjakkalle (Check!)  17:52, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Maixent Poitevin

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Unsourced article about a local politician. Doesn't even have an article at fr.wiki. Bbb23 (talk) 22:41, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:44, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:44, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Poitiers is a large enough city that its mayors would likely be eligible to have articles if they were properly sourced, but it is not so large as to make its mayors "inherently" notable just for serving as mayors or to exempt them from actually having to show any sources. Bearcat (talk) 18:33, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete a totally unsourced article. Having recently gone through the entirety of articles in Category:1843 births I am aware we have a lot of articles on deceased people that have 0 sources, so this is a large problem in the encyclopedia.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. Played a key role in defending the besieged town of Poitiers in 1569 during the French Wars of Religion. Added source both in English and French. Genium. 16:57, Sep 3, 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Genium. 16:57, Sep 3, 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - important historical figure in the history France, and Poitiers in particular - the fact that he is still being mentioned in books as recently as 2004 shows WP:SUSTAINED - sources have been added to the article, so it now meets WP:GNG - also, we can assume there are more sources in French (WP:NPOSSIBLE says "The absence of sources or citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that a subject is not notable. Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article.") - hopefully the citations can be increased over time by those knowledgeable of French history - Epinoia (talk) 20:37, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * NPOSSIBLE has nothing to do with assumptions. It kicks in only if you show hard evidence that better sources definitely do exist, and does not apply if you simply speculate about the possibility that better sources might exist — if all you had to do to save an article from deletion was to say that it was possible that there might be better sources out there than anybody has actually found yet, then even total hoaxes wouldn't be deletable from Wikipedia anymore. So the argument that notability is based on the existence of solid sources, and not necessarily the state of the sourcing already present in the current version of the article, only applies to sources that are actually located and shown. Bearcat (talk) 14:59, 7 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. I agree that in its original unsourced form, this wasn't worth keeping, but several reasonable-looking sources have been added.  My own searching finds a bunch more mentions in French books.  Given that this person lived 500 years ago, I'm happy to go with weaker sourcing than we would for contemporary biography.  -- RoySmith (talk) 15:34, 7 September 2019 (UTC)


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