Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Major League Baseball All-Star Game venues


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Further discussion of merge/redirect options are strongly encouraged on the article's talk page, however. Regards,   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 21:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Major League Baseball All-Star Game venues

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One reference on a future site and that is IT. Makes absolutely no claim of notability and is completely unnecessary as it is merely a restatement of information already included at List of Major League Baseball All-Star Game winners. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC) Recently created article that duplicates an existing topic.
 * Speedy delete per DB-A10.  elektrik SHOOS  19:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * A10 says "Recently created article that duplicates an existing topic." A) This article was created 2 and a half years ago. It is not recently created. B) This article is about venues, not about results. The information on this article is not duplicated elsewhere. Kingturtle (talk) 19:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 22:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Major League Baseball All-Star Game winners. The title itself isn't somehow problematic, so there's no reason not to redirect to the existing article that contains this content.   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 00:10, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep (75.144.22.57 (talk) 04:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC))
 * Why? Erpert (let's talk about it) 05:50, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete This could be a legitimate article if there was more sourcing, and of course a demonstration of notability. As it is though, it is superfluous. --Muboshgu (talk) 12:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am happy to provide sources. Kingturtle (talk) 20:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you said this a few days ago and I don't see any new sources. --Muboshgu (talk) 13:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * keep - are you kidding me? This is useful information for baseball historians. Part of the history of the baseball all-star game is which cities and which fields get to host it. This content is very different from the page that lists the winners. This article is not about who won the games. It is about the venues. Which parks hosted it most often? Which cities hosted it most often? Which cities have been neglected the longest. There is no reason to delete this article. Do not redirect this to a page that contains different information and does not contain extensive venue information. Leave it alone. Kingturtle (talk) 19:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The exact same information is mirrored there, and which locations have hosted the most can be summarized with a sentence or two in that article's lead. Staxringold talkcontribs 11:24, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No. Results and venue history are different entities. Kingturtle (talk) 13:22, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Right. But the information is included there. Very clearly. You can't just break off each individual factoid about an event with a main list without a claim of independent notability and make another stand alone list or every sporting event will have a list of winners, list of losers, list of venues, list of winning coaches, list of losing coaches, etc, etc, etc. Staxringold talkcontribs 18:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The information that included there is not organized in the same way. And you are under a major misconception if you think that Major League Baseball All-Star Game venues is a break off the main list. Major League Baseball All-Star Game venues was created on its own. The winners article is about results. The venue article is about the venues, and provides easy access to information that is of interest. Kingturtle (talk) 20:59, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Then where is the sourcing that satisfies WP:GNG or WP:STANDALONE? Because as far as I know analysts don't spend their time focusing too hard on the history of where the ASG was held. They mention it in passing if the game has been there before, but that's just about it. Same as why, as I've said, we don't have a venue list for a litany of other major sporting events. Staxringold talkcontribs 23:57, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The venue of the MLB all-star game is notable. And until the All-star Game determined WS home field advantage, one could argue the the venue was more important than the result. Lists of venues of important events are not unknown to Wikipedia: List of The Open Championship venues and List of NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament venues, for example. The article in question is different than the other article in that it is organized, and designed with a particular emphasis on the history of all-star game venues. Kingturtle (talk) 23:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Where is List of Super Bowl venues (redirects to winners page)? List of World Series venues? Staxringold talkcontribs 11:25, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * None of that is third party sourcing showing an interest in the history of where the ASG was held. Staxringold talkcontribs 23:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge/Delete I think some of the info is interesting from a baseball history standpoint and worth keeping, but not in it's own article. Would support merging some of the info (if sources are found) to List of Major League Baseball All-Star Game winners, and maybe moving that article to a more generic name like simply List of Major League Baseball All-Star Games. Ryan2845 (talk) 13:38, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * In baseball, stadiums hold part of the history. Each stadium has its own quirks, stories, and histories. All-Star Game venues are part of the lore of major league baseball. In fact, until recently when game results determine post season activities, the venue was more important than the result. The all-star game is used to showcase new parks. Major League Baseball puts a great deal of effort into determining which parks are to be used, and then puts a great deal of effort into promoting the specific park. Therefore, an article exploring the frequency and usage of stadiums for the all-star game makes sense. Kingturtle (talk) 14:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * A. All this article does is mirror the information present at the winners list. It does not somehow go more in depth on the grand history of baseball parks. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You proport that it is merely a mirror, but in that, you are wrong. There is indeed information in the article that does not exist in the other one. For example, the other articles says nothing about which parks are active and which are defunct, nor anything about parks that have not hosted the event, nor anything about hosting All-Star Game and post-season games in same season. Kingturtle (talk) 20:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * All of which is unsourced, both in terms of factual-ness (whether the park is closed) and in terms of importance (again, many much larger sporting events like the Super Bowl have no such venue list, so who's to say these things need to be on WP without sourcing to that fact?). Staxringold talkcontribs 20:55, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * B. Still waiting on a source that actually states what you claim about importance, or in fact satisfies WP:GNG at all. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So place a tag on the page requesting such things. It may take me weeks to find the proper references. I am quite busy these days, and have little time to go through my books. I'm not sure what the hurry is here. Kingturtle (talk) 20:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Satisfying GNG is the basic tenet for the existence of an article. Staxringold talkcontribs 20:55, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. We should be deleting List of Major League Baseball All-Star Game winners.  That's trivia -- the actual playing of the all-star game is meaningless.  But where the all-star game is played, and who plays in it -- that is useful information.  The jockeying over the privilege of hosting an all-star game is one of the biggest civic battles that MLB team owners engage in; it's fair to call it their version of competing to host the Olympics (and boy, do we have plenty of articles speculating about future Olympic hosts!)  --M @ r ē ino 15:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep This is an interesting page. Only part is restated in the other. The table of who has hosted the most is interesting to me. -- LAA Fan '' 19:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Per non trivial material. The article has encyclopedic value. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 20:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Also rename to "List of Major League Baseball All-Star Game venues". --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 20:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.