Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Major achievements in figure skating by nation


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. I see a consensus to Delete this article. After 3 relistings, I doubt that there is any more participation that can be expected and this consensus seems clear. Liz Read! Talk! 02:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Major achievements in figure skating by nation

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I don't see how this article doesn't violate WP:SYNTHESIS. Ignoring the blatant MOS:ACCESS issues with the tables (which I could address), these tables constitute original research and an assemblage of indiscriminate statistics. The very first table, for example, simply shows that Russia has won a gold medal in each of the listed events, but not how many, and then an unsourced total on the right column. Additionally, synchronized skating is (unfortunately) a separate entity from other figure skating disciplines. This is another example of someone treating Wikipedia like a figure skating fan wiki. Bgsu98  (Talk)  00:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  Bgsu98   (Talk)  00:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:SYNTH per nom. In cases like this where there are many possible methods by which to synthesize the raw results from many competitions into an overall ranking, it is not upon Wikipedia to select one of them to crown the top nations. A mainspace article that promotes the personal opinion of one or two editors of how this should be done (i.e. what should count as a "major achievement") is a WP:NPOV violation. Regards, HaeB (talk) 01:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Olympics and Lists.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  04:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:Major achievements in sports by nation exist for other sports. Listing how many medals each nation one, is acceptable.  References can easily be found on pages linked to or from official sites for these various games. Category:Lists of figure skating medalists also exist.  This is useful for having all the games they can win medals together easily found in a nice layout, just like all the other articles of this type.   D r e a m Focus  21:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:OSE, that would be a reason to consider deleting them all rather than keeping this one. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You think these tables constitute a “nice layout”? I think they’re appalling. Bgsu98   (Talk)  23:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you using a cell phone or are you zoomed in too much on the article? How is it different than any other table on Wikipedia?   D r e a m Focus  23:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There are all sorts of MOS violations. I am willing to correct the tables, but I don't want to do any more work on them until this AFD has been decided. Bgsu98   (Talk)  23:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:40, 24 March 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:05, 31 March 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: Final relist. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 12:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete clear WP:SYNTH. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * How is this synth? Listing what medals each country won, is not synth, it just an easily proven fact.   D r e a m Focus  22:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This was already explained above. Deciding on a particular method for combining that information about individual medals into an overall ranking - e.g. have Wikipedia crown Russia as the all-time top nation in "All competitive disciplines", beating Canada and the United States - is WP:SYNTH and also a WP:NPOV violation. Regards, HaeB (talk) 03:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - per WP:NEXIST where a quick search reveals that reliable independent sourcing exists for all of this and, as such, is not a SYNTH violation. If you claim this should be deleted, you are promoting a WP:Trainwreck. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 21:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please show some sources that prove that this article is notable and not just a SYNTH- better than claiming sources exist, please demonstrate some decent and appropriate sourcing. Joseph<b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 22:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The article links to the official websites showing the information already!  D r e a m Focus  22:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This claim appears to be false. Or which web pages exactly of those currently linked under Major_achievements_in_figure_skating_by_nation contain these country rankings as shown in the article? Regards, HaeB (talk) 03:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Simple math is not Synth. Not does it say its ranking them in an official capacity.  If that's your only complaint, then just remove the No. column.   D r e a m Focus  06:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The SYNTH concerns raised above weren't primarily about the counting across those many different websites, but there are likely to be non-trivial decisions involved there too.
 * In any case I'm glad that we appear to agree that the rankings are not official, i.e. that this article is making proclamations in Wikipedia voice of who the all-time top country in each discipline and even overall is. That is highly problematic, also given how contested such nation rankings in sports can be at times. Regards, HaeB (talk) 23:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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 * Delete clear nom.
 * SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: This is a violation of WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:NOTSTATS. Such content belongs on a fan wiki, not here. Let&#39;srun (talk) 01:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


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