Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Majuba Aviation crash (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. slakr \ talk / 00:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Majuba Aviation crash
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Although tragic, this aircraft crash is not notable by Wikipedia standards. First off, it clearly fails to have continuing coverage, or widespread coverage outside of narrow circles (i.e. accident databases). In addition, the relevant notability essay here is WP:AIRCRASH, which for aircraft of this size, suggests that an accident is notable if it involves somebody notable enough to have their own Wikipedia page (fail), or, failing that, if they have all of the below: people killed in the aircraft or on the ground (check), hull loss of the aircraft (check), and changes to procedures and/or regulations (fail). Given that this article, based on that, is likely not notable enough to be included in the Pilatus PC-12 article, the fact that it fails overall notability makes the existiance of a standalone article doubly unnecessary. The Bushranger One ping only 18:33, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:AIRCRASH, no lasting notability for an aircraft of this size. - Ahunt (talk) 19:01, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. The Bushranger One ping only 19:06, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. The Bushranger One ping only 19:06, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:23, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - this is a non-commercial flight, with no-one notable (in terms of wikipedia) on board. Coverage seems to have been limited to local news only (eg the links from the ASN report). All-in-all adds up to an unfortunate event but not one that adds to the sum of human knowledge as represented by wikipedia. GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. While tragic, crashes involving light aircraft like this are much more common than their larger, commercial cousins. Pburka (talk) 20:39, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. There isn't anything particularly notable about the crash.  Nine fatalities is higher than most air crashes, but light aircraft crashes are a sad reality of civil aviation.  Other than "another one for the list", or as I like to call it "Navin Johnson Notability", what is this but another statistic?  SDY (talk) 21:48, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete; does not meet the GNG. bobrayner (talk) 09:20, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment if someone would write up an article on the company or the airport, I'd say merge it there... but neither Plettenberg Bay Airport nor Majuba_Aviation exist, so it looks like a delete. 65.94.77.11 (talk) 14:27, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The former, at least, should exist - if it is ever created, no prejudice against restoring this as a redirect. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:37, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete The essay WP:AIRCRASH is a good, though rough, attempt to help us determine some threshold for inclusion for aircraft accident articles. Per AIRCRASH this doesn't meet that threshold, but it is close. For instance the Pilatus PC-12 is fairly large, and close to the arbitrary max. loaded weight weight limit set in AIRCRASH, 10,450 lbs vs. 12,500 lbs. Also, this is the higher end for loss of life. When the South African Civil Aviation Authority releases its investigation report there might be notability. If the 2004 Martinsville plane crash hadn't killed notable members of NASCAR I'd still argue for inclusion since the NTSB felt fit to issue a full-length Aircraft Accident Report on the event (NOT common). It is too bad the editor involved in creating this article isn't around; although However, at this time I don't see WP being better for having this article currently, in a borderline case such as this I would have liked to have heard their input. LoveUxoxo (talk) 00:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment A Preliminary Accident report by the South African Civil Aviation Authority is available at --NJR_ZA (talk) 07:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The preliminary report was interesting to me personally, but I still doubt that when the final report is issued that notability will be established. Again, I'd shade it to being close/borderline (for instance, the wreckage recovery operations from the ocean I think are indicative that the accident is being treated with more attention from the authorities than most civil aviation accidents). LoveUxoxo (talk) 21:07, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment I have a draft article on the parent company [User:Dodger67/Sandbox/Italtile|Italtile]], the CEO was one of the people killed in this accident so it had a profound effect on the company. I have copied the content of this article to my draft where it will become a section under the company history. Roger (talk) 08:10, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
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