Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Makhdum Nuh of Hala (Sindh)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Hala, Sindh. I appreciate that there is support for a merge here, but the article is entirely unencyclopaedic and devoid of ciations. The only reference given makes no mention of Nuh as far as I can tell in any spelling. There is nothing in the article that can be legitimately merged. However I will add some basic information to the Hala article from the source found by PWilkinson. This close is without prejudice to a properly referenced article being created at any time.  Spinning Spark  19:18, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Makhdum Nuh of Hala (Sindh)

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Notablity - The article is clearly about a non-notable person. Nothing about this person remotely shows any clear cut signs of notablity TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
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 * Merge to Hala, Sindh or Keep: Judging by the GBooks results for shorter versions of the name ( or ), this Suhrawardi pir is certainly seen as notable by reliable sources such as this one. However, what I currently seem to be picking up from them is approximate birth and death dates, a few anecdotes, some rather vague mentions of his writings, and the fact that his mausoleum in Hala is still an important religious centre - indeed, the modern city seems to have grown up round the mausoleum, rather than the original settlement a couple of miles away. If all we can manage on the man himself is a sentence, then the article is probably best redirected to the article on the city containing his mausoleum (which needs that much information in it anyway). If more detail can be reliably sources, then keeping and improving this article is probably the way to go. PWilkinson (talk) 18:06, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Merging to Hala Sindh - I think this would be a valid way to solve the issue TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:58, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak keep -- This person is claimed to have been head of Sarwari Jamaat, which I gather to be some kind of Sufi sect. I would be happier if we started with an article on the sect, before we get articles about persons who have been its head.  I am a Christian and know little of the subject.  It may be that the subject is celebrated as a Sufi saint; if so, I would have expected him to be notable.  However the present article is a poor one and needs improvement.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:54, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I may have a little more knowledge than you on Sufi sects, but still not a lot. In any case, this is not the only topic regarding Sufi saints which suffers from notablity issues. From the general trend, its almost certain that most of them are not celebrated enough to make an article on them. Its simply that most of these get far more info here because of overzealous writers and unsure reviewers. And they are one of the worst articles here
 * I believe a proper discussion on a majority of these articles, having a few people who actually know about the topic would help in determining what to do. This may solve a lot of problems with many articles TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:57, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


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