Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mallen Baker


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The result was   keep.  → Call me  Hahc  21  06:16, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Mallen Baker

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Non-notable freelance, write who is or was the editor of an in-house political massive and a principle speaker of the green party of England and Wales. Non of these activities are notable in thier won right or when collectively taken. Sport and politics (talk) 09:56, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. As joint Principal Speaker he was effectively joint party leader. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment -The holding of this post of Principal Speaker does not make the subject notable. They have to have wider notability established by reliable third party sources. Simply holding one post in a small political party is not enough to make an individual notable (yes the Green Party are a small party, one MP two MEPs and a few councillors here and there, does not make them a medium or big party like UKIP, the Liberal Democrats, the Conservatives or Labour, etc.). In the same way hold municipal elected office in England does not make an individual notable. The post itself can be notable by its history, or high profile office holders, etc. in the same way the office of leader of a Municipal Council is potentially notable as an office. That though does not qualify the holders of that office for notability or inclusion in Wikiepida. There is also no reasoning as to how that post makes the individual holders notable, there is simply use of other stuff exists as a means of justification in this case,  which is inappropriate in this case.Sport and politics (talk) 14:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I completely disagree. The Green Party, while not in the front rank, is certainly in the second tier of British political parties, along with such parties as UKIP and Plaid Cymru and has been for some time. In my opinion, its leaders are notable. That, also in my opinion, is common sense, and there is nothing absurd about common sense. What is, however, absurd is to prefer dogma ("nothing in Wikipedia specifically says they are notable so they can't be notable") over common sense. Remember WP:BURO? -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:40, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - I am almost certain you and I Necrothesp have no common ground and will never reach a compromise on this issue. I see this individual as clearly failing under WP:DISCRIMINATE and WP:NOTABLE per WP:POLITICIAN. This individual is not inherently notable just for holding the office of principle speaker of the Green Party. The individual notability of this subject must clearly be demonstrated or here will be an endless stream of indiscriminate article creation for the leader and deputy leader of every political party in the UK who has ever had an MP is the deputy leader or Chairman etc. of the Independent Community and Health Concern Party notable. I think not even though that party had an MP in Richard Taylor. Sport and politics (talk) 18:10, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep As one of two Principal Speakers of the Green Party, he was probably notable, though only in office for one year. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:42, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete He was not high enough up to make his party position notable, at least considering how large the party was at the time.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:21, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - joint leader of a significant national party, albeit one of the more obscure ones. Article has several sources providing evidence of notability, anyone with access to printed media of the period could find more. Warofdreams talk 00:31, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
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