Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maloy Lozanes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Copyvio issues appear to have been addressed. No prejudice against opening another AfD on grounds of notability. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 19:40, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Maloy Lozanes

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Completing nomination on behalf of User:Malulay. Rationale as stated on the talk page follows. On the merits, I make no recommendation. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 13:50, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

The original rationale from Talk:Maloy Lozanes (being this diff) reads thus: "Reason: copyright violations. Biography/Discography derived from maloy.biz. Year w/ Capt. Jack is incorrect. Couldn't change it (the reason why I had a debate with another User) because it's from a reliable source according to Wiki policies. But the official site is not reliable?Malulay (talk) 05:46, 12 January 2012 (UTC)"


 * This "another User" gave source to the date of birth, because all the time you delete the date of birth. This source was placed only near the date of birth. This date of birth (1976) also confirmed by other sources, so the date is correct. "Year w/ Capt. Jack is incorrect"? If there is no objection from the other users, you can improve. However, dates of birth and it's sources do not delete. Subtropical-man (talk) 14:27, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Rested the case about the year of birth since it's from a source that passed Wiki policies. I did keep changing the year with Captain Jack, too, according to a reliable, reference site. To 1999 instead of 1998 but User:Subtropical-man kept objecting & undoing what I edited. So, how can anybody "correct" that year if he keeps objecting to that, too? I originally created this page with all its contents, without much knowledge on how it's done here: signing posts, some policies & I didn't even know what a sock puppet is. But I already learned some of it in the meantime. But I was already reported for violations I'm not familiar with & User:Subtropical-man even "indirectly" called me stupid & accused me of hiding under IP addresses (Talk:Maloy_Lozanes). This debate was discussed/explained on this link, too, (User_talk:AdministratorMLML) & I have reported him in the meantime by e-mail for personal attacks & accusations. I requested for deletion since all the page's contents are from maloy.biz originally & because of another reliable site, the real year for Capt. Jack (which was on the official website of the artist) couldn't be edited. So, it's a copyright violation of the artist's website.Malulay (talk) 16:21, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait a tic, let me make sure I'm reading this right. You're saying part of the article is copyrighted material from the artist's website? Can you remove that material from the article? Other editors seem to have added other material over the years, and the gaps could be expanded if the subject is notable. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 20:44, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have looked at http://maloy.biz but can not find anything that was copied from that site. Can you tell us what page it was copied from?  GB fan 21:00, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, all that was written there is derived from maloy.biz. It was only modified by other users over the years (improved layouts, corrected grammar, spelling, punctuations, etc.). Some were added by me without logging in. If I removed the copyrighted bio & discography, then the page would be blank & I'd be reported as vandalizing again. Only the foto was granted permission by the author to be used in public.Malulay (talk) 21:07, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Under Profile - - Biography. And under Discography - - Discography & Releases.Malulay (talk) 21:07, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I found the almost word for word copy of the biography section of the article and have removed it. I don't think the discography section can be copyrighted because it is just the info that is publicly available (correct me if I am wrong}.   GB fan 21:22, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid everything there is copyrighted.Malulay (talk) 21:39, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * As to GB fan's question on the copyright issue, it is an important question as it applies to all discog sections in band/musician articles. Here is my understanding.  WP guidelines point, in part, to US law in the copyright area.  The U.S. Supreme Court clarified the issue of the application of copyright to fact in Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service Co., 111 S. Ct. 1282 (1991).  In which it wrote (emphasis added):  "A factual compilation is eligible for copyright if it features an original selection or arrangement of facts, but the copyright is limited to the particular selection or arrangement. In no event may copyright extend to the facts themselves."  So — a screenshot of the list of the discogs would, for example, be covered by copyright.  But the mere listing of the facts of the discog information is not covered by copyright. There is no copyvio under US law as long as we have: a) attribution, and b) the format of the list is not a mirror of the original format.  Per Feist.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:08, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


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 * Procedural Keep: May I ask what valid deletion grounds, suitable for discussion at AfD, have been proffered for this article? If there's a copyvio at work, it's a matter for WP:CSD, not for here.  Failing a discussion on the notability merits of the subject, I'm going to have to advocate a Keep.  Ravenswing  09:36, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
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