Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manchester City F.C. 4–1 Tottenham Hotspur F.C.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. However, as mentioned in the first comment, some mention would certainly be appropriate in a season article if one is created. Black Kite (t) (c) 20:33, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Manchester City F.C. 4–1 Tottenham Hotspur F.C.

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A football league match like many others, which easily fails into WP:NOTNEWS and cannot be identified as anything special in the game history. I had started a discussion on WP:FOOTY about the notability of such article before nominating it, and it quickly emerged that most of the project users agree with this game not being notable on its own (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Angelo (talk) 10:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to 1967–68 Manchester City F.C. season. Yes, that's a redlink right now, but User:Falastur2 has been doing sterling work on season articles for some time, and has a sandbox page for the season in question which looks almost ready for mainspace. I've stated some reasons for the notability of this match at WikiProject talk, but a merge is my preferred option, as the match is far more notable in the context of Manchester City than of Spurs. Oldelpaso (talk) 17:45, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 18:08, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable match. GiantSnowman 18:09, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails notability guideline. Sandman888 (talk) Latest FLC 19:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can't find anything to grant this notable. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) &#124; (talk to me) &#124; (What I've done)  22:14, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete, with the closing admin making explicitly clear that future cases should be considered on their own merits. This match, on its own merits, fails the GNG. I am sure that there are other matches that fall into this category that will also need to be AfD'd. However, I see the statement "like many others" as a strong indication that the nominator intends to use this as a precident. Matches that are not automatically notable (generally speaking, anything that isn't a cup final) should be considered on their own merits as to whether they pass or fail the GNG. --WFC-- 00:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete or userfy to User:Falastur2 if he wants it. Not a significantly notable match in and of itself, appropriate inclusion for a ManCity season article if one were to exist. There is no real basis for inclusion as a stand alone article as it is "just another football match" of which there have been literally millions.-- Club Oranje T 00:48, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable. This could form part of the two clubs' season articles, but not a standalone. Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:01, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, but make mention of in either clubs' season article. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  08:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable game. --Carioca (talk) 19:38, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep or at least merge. Obviously seems a real lack of users on here who have a real grasp of football history and knowledge with some of these, in my opinion, clueless and uninformed comments. Therefore I'm not going to bother posting an informed argument for keeping this page, as anything I do say will probably be greeted with a lazy, non-constructive response, like "non-notable match" - Stevo1000 (talk) 22:21, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you can provide additional independent sources describing the game as something special, that would demonstrate notability and offset all the "non-notable match" responses. Rlendog (talk) 18:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm with Stevo1000 on this. This is just the sort of thing Wiki should encourage. Part of the club's history, a memorable match for the club. Shame it will soon be deleted.--Egghead06 (talk) 16:22, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, is a notable match, article is referenced. Eldumpo (talk) 10:53, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Article is sufficiently referenced to pass the GNG (although this is a matter on which there can be legitimate disagreement: see WFCforLife above). Many of the delete !votes (not all) give little to no reasoning for their positions; as if to assert that any regular season match is undeserving of an article. Such claims to inherent notability (or in this case, non-notability) need to be viewed sceptically, especially when unsupported by reasoning. If someone wants to take the time to create articles for all top-division English matches over the last 100 years, wikipedia will be a better place for it. If only one or two well-sourced articles are created, no harm is done. If someone wants to move an amendment to WP:NSPORT to the effect that ordinary league football matches are not notable - and there may be good reason to do so - it need only be done here. But unless and until that is done, we shouldn't toss out people's hard and policy/GNG compliant work on three-word subjective opinions.--Mkativerata (talk) 02:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Interesting one this. Only two sources, but both seem to have been written a long time after the event, and cover it in reasonable detail. That could be enough to meet WP:GNG and WP:NOTNEWS, which would leave this within all the guidelines. It's difficult to judge the offline source without being able to see it though, hence this is a weak keep. Alzarian16 (talk) 12:36, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Well, I think that "Match of the Season" is notable enough. It has just enough detail to be a respectable article, and is just notable enough in my opinion. However, "my opinion" isn't a very good reason, which is why this is a weak keep. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sellyminime (talk • contribs) 07:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - dubious notability aside, if kept, shouldn't the page be moved? That's not a title, that's a score, with no date! That'd be like having the 2003 Heritage Classic article at Montreal Canadiens 4 - 3 Edmonton Oilers. How many such games finished with that score?--137.122.49.102 (talk) 15:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
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