Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manchester United F.C. - 50 Greatest Players Of All Time


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Tone 22:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Manchester United F.C. - 50 Greatest Players Of All Time

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Per the past precedent of 100 Players Who Shook The Kop. This type of list is inherently subjective, whereas List of Manchester United F.C. players performs a similar function in a completely objective fashion. Furthermore, as the contents of this list have been taken from a book (the United Opus), its use here is a breach of copyright. – PeeJay 22:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - this is a significant list that is well sourced. Reviews such as this and this, establish its notability. TerriersFan (talk) 22:24, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * And the fact that copyright violations are usually grounds for a speedy deletion mean nothing to you? – PeeJay 22:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Please keep a civil tone. I don't accept that this is a breach of copyright. The content is factual and facts are not copyrightable. What would be a breach of copyright would be if creative text had been taken from the book and such text is not included. TerriersFan (talk) 22:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It isn't fact, it is one Book's opinion. Also, TerriersFan, please assume good faith as well. I don't find PeeJay's comments as incivil. Tavix (talk) 03:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. – PeeJay 22:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - The book is not encyclopedic or notable enough to be inclded. Besides which including this book would allow for books on the "greatest players" of every team from Accrington Stanley to Zurich. --Lucy-marie (talk) 22:36, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I respect that point. However, notability, compliance with WP:BK, comes from 'The book has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the book itself, with at least some of these works serving a general audience.'. Books that meet this criteria, whatever their field, merit a page. TerriersFan (talk) 22:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This article is not about a book. It is about a feature from a book. Furthermore, according to this discussion, "any list whose selection is based primarily on editorial opinion (rather than say statistics or geography) is considered to have that minimal spark of creativity necessary for copyright". That certainly applies in this case. – PeeJay 23:03, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Man Us 50 greats yes, but of all time? is it not logical to say that a great player will push others out of the list? I see this list more in the way of personal opinions by many and I believe Wiki has a rule against this type of article. Govvy (talk) 23:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - this is non-official, and as such has no place on Wikipedia. Anyone could publish a book with a list of their favourite players of all time, but that doesn't make it notable. GiantSnowman 23:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As it stands right now, delete, especially if it's a copyvio. I don't think notability is an issue here, but rather two things: are dealing with pure original research, and are we dealing with a copyright violation from the book? My rationale is on the latter, and I would recommend tagging the article as such until it can be sorted out. MuZemike  ( talk ) 01:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strongest Delete Possible, as a Point Of View fork. Wikipedia shouldn't be a dumping grounds for one person's idea over who is the greatest. I feel people need to decide these things for themselves.Tavix (talk) 03:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Pure opinion, not neutrally encyclopedic. Subset of existing List of Manchester United F.C. players, fails WP:NPOV as the list is unverifiably subjective (Berbatov isn't on it). Title does not reflect content - list references source claiming "50 finest United players since the Second World War", yet claims to be "Manchester United F.C. - 50 Greatest Players Of All Time". Speedy if found to be copyvio as alluded to above. -- Club Oranje Talk 09:08, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. An unencyclopaedic article based entirely on opinion. Although there's no doubt that these players are great, there's no set grounds given for their inclusion or ranking. Regardless of whether any possible copyright violations are removed, it would be almost impossible to make this conform to Wikipedia standards, especially WP:OR and WP:NPOV. Bettia   (rawr!)  09:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as inherently subjective and POV. Stifle (talk) 16:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


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