Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manchester United F.C. 9–0 Ipswich Town F.C. (2nd nomination)


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The result was   no consensus. Approaching a "keep" consensus.  Sandstein  00:53, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Manchester United F.C. 9–0 Ipswich Town F.C.
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Previous AfD resulted in no consensus. No evidence provided that this game has lasting significance, and there is no inherit notability in setting a scoring record in premier league (from 1992 onwards, disregarding the previous 100 years). Half a year after last AfD, it's time for a more structured discussion, where only votes with rationales are valid, and not the many fan-based votes witnessed earlier. Sandman888 (talk) 15:19, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - while I'd love to see this disappear into oblivion, there's not a shred of doubt that this is the current scoring record in a league that's nearly 20 years old, it does have widespread coverage (sadly) and as such is verifiably notable enough to keep. Per nominator's rationale, I feel I should disclose that I am a fan, but suffered mercilessly for this one, and still do..... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 15:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - this game is more than just an example of lots of goals being scored; as The Rambling Man says, this is a record-setting game which has had great coverage and cultural longevity. GiantSnowman 15:39, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - as above. As record setting match, it has generated sufficient coverage to merit a standalone article, in my opinion. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:44, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep league record setting match. User should cease making WP:POINT nominations. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:58, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable in history of both clubs and the league itself. Any one of the three would be sufficient. --Dweller (talk) 16:34, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - This match is regularly referred to in the media, and is significant in the histories of Manchester United, Ipswich Town and the Premier League itself. – PeeJay 20:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Sorry to buck the trend, but this is just one match in one of many many leagues around the world. Every league and every cup competition has a record scoring match, this is simply one of them. Before this one there was another 'record setting match' of 5-0 - where is the article for that, before that one there was another record setting match, 3-0 - where is the article for that one. All the mentions of it at the time and since are to my mind 'routine sports coverage of a general nature'. If the rationale to keep is because it is a record setting match it should be covered in Premier League statistics and records or some such named article, and club history/statistic articles.-- Club Oranje T 21:29, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That may be so, but even then, this match has had substantial coverage in any number of media sources, perhaps more even than about 90% of any Premier League games you would care to mention. Teams rarely score nine goals in a game, and individuals rarely score five goals in a game. This is proven by the fact that the former has happened only twice in the history of the Premier League, and the latter only four times; that's in 20 years of Premier League football. Furthermore, I would also say that, given the massive media coverage it would get, any Premier League game that finishes 10–0 would probably also be notable and worthy of an article. – PeeJay 16:16, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And if such a scenario plays out (10-0 result in a future match) would you then be in favor of deleting this no-longer-notable match? The point is, the facts contained in this article belong in a larger article/list of Premier League records, and not in a standalone article. --SkotyWATC 03:52, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * See my comments, below. --Dweller (talk) 12:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Skotywa, did you not notice my use of the word "also"? What makes you think that the possibility of a 10–0 match would make this 9–0 match no-longer-notable? Sure, this match became notable because it broke two of the Premier League's scoring records, but its notability has been maintained due to the media coverage that has followed it ever since. If a 10–0 match happens, both it and this match will be worthy of articles. – PeeJay 13:45, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per ClubOranje and my follow up comments. --SkotyWATC 03:52, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment can any of the keep votes provide proof of the "cultural longevity" and that the "great coverage" goes beyond mere routine reporting? Sandman888 (talk) 16:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, agree with ClubOranje's comments. It's a record that belongs on lists elsewhere on Wikipedia until it is broken. Coverage is little more than what it usually given to a run-of-the-mill Premier League game. --Jimbo[online] 23:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - record breaking game, still talked about today (featured very recently in Sky TV's 20th anniversary highlights). Any future view of what happens when we get 10-0 or the game's cultural longevity can only be guess-work at this stage.--Egghead06 (talk) 11:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - record-breaking win that is significant in the histories of both clubs. It is still featured on the media today, and if a 10–0 win happens, then we should probably delete this. But for now, it's a keep. Velo  ciraptor  888  10:20, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Even if Blackpool defeated Arsenal 18-0 this season, this match would still be historic in the club histories of Manchester United and Ipswich Town and it would therefore remain notable and worthy of an article. --Dweller (talk) 12:56, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? It is extremley unlikely that Blackpool will defeat 18–0 this season. Are you meaning that if a 10–0 win occurs, this article shall be kept? Again, keep this until an [unlikely] 10–0 win happens. Velo  ciraptor  888  13:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I think what Dweller means is that even if a higher record score between other clubs was achieved, this match would still be notable in the histories of both Manchester United and Ipswich and therefore if a higher record score was made at some point, this would still be notable enough to keep an article. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. --Dweller (talk) 13:20, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
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